[MD] Where I'm at [Administrator Message]

Ian ian.glendinning at gmail.com
Mon Sep 13 10:22:30 PDT 2010 

Krim,
Gimme one example of "bitching about topics raised". I've barely  
corresponded recently, until last day or so.

You'll have to decode all that coding stuff. I use shorthand for  
brevity, not to offend, on the basis that we have a lot of dialogue  
behind us already.
Ian

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Sep 2010, at 19:07, "Krimel" <Krimel at Krimel.com> wrote:

> Then how about you leave the channel instead of bitching about  
> people raising topics you don't care to hear about. Obviously,  
> people here have a right to say whatever Horse thinks is ok but you  
> are just whining. I find your code talking offensive. Over use of  
> punctuation and ending sentences with some presumed inside  
> knowledge, it is smug pretentious drivel that require enormous  
> effort to delete. As Frank might say, "Flush you and the horse you  
> rode in on".
> Krimel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian [mailto:ian.glendinning at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 12:58 PM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Where I'm at [Administrator Message]
>
> :-) Not silence Krim, appropriate channels, my opinion. I explained
> explicitly - personal problems / insults - md is the wrong channel.
>
> Ps people do not have the right to say "whatever they want"
> Ian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 13 Sep 2010, at 18:22, "Krimel" <Krimel at Krimel.com> wrote:
>
>> Since when have you become the fucking thought police. People here
>> have a right to say whatever the hell they want; at least until
>> recently when people are being bullied into silence. I know that
>> Horse does a great job here but WTF? Even crazy tinfoil hat dude
>> ought to be able to speak his mind as far as I am concerned. Same
>> for crazy Squonk and obnoxious Bradford. Those aren't my calls and
>> I'll live with a few more objectionable decisions of that sort but
>> for Christ sake if you don't like what people say explain why or
>> ignore and delete.
>>
>> The alternative, a path we are rapidly traveling, is to silence all
>> comment and then your frickin' inbox will be pristine. In the mean
>> time take that fucking iPhone and shove it in your outbox.
>>
>> Krimel
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ian [mailto:ian.glendinning at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:39 AM
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Where I'm at [Administrator Message]
>>
>> And Marsha you just aimed a "trashy little insult" at dmb. You got a
>> personal problem, take it offline, to the moderator ... Or a
>> confidant.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 13 Sep 2010, at 17:00, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Horse,
>>>
>>> Having been on the receiving end of one of dmb's trashy little
>>> posts full of insults, I was a bit sensitive to the tactic.  But I
>>> get
>>> your message loud and clear.  It won't happen again on my
>>> part.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Horse wrote:
>>>
>>>> [Message from MD Administrator]
>>>>
>>>> I agree completely with Adrie here.
>>>> Emails that are sent off-list should remain off-list.
>>>> If they are to be posted to the list then ALL participants should
>>>> agree to their being published on MD AND they should run it past me
>>>> first.
>>>> If there is some particular reason that you feel something should
>>>> be be brought from the private to the public domain (threats or
>>>> whatever) then please contact me with your concerns.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Horse
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13/09/2010 14:32, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It is fully my responsibility for posting publicly the 'Unlike
>>>>> Marsha's post,
>>>>> this really is OFF LIST' post.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 13, 2010, at 9:18 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry to read all of this , Jc, i worked with my hands all my
>>>>>> life , and i'm
>>>>>> aware of how harsh life can become for some people.
>>>>>> My life's expierience tells me that it al begins with only one
>>>>>> loose end,
>>>>>> they are added up, loose end above loose end.
>>>>>> On a certaint moment in time, it will generate a cascade of
>>>>>> events ,called a
>>>>>> mid-life crisis.
>>>>>> But it is not per-se a bad thing to talk about it but even in
>>>>>> this optic you
>>>>>> have to keep the balance.
>>>>>> The big questions of life.....sooner or later everybody will meet
>>>>>> them, one
>>>>>> of my basic rules in life is simple as hell,
>>>>>> "do not throw in a lot of show elements in life, it will backfire
>>>>>> always",.And i don't mean to say that i'm the keeper of wisdom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But to use some phrase of Pirsig, throwing sand in the bulls eyes
>>>>>> won't
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>> You have to reformat yourself this very day man,and its sad to
>>>>>> say, but you
>>>>>> will have to carry some past backpacking in the future.
>>>>>> The clausule's you are mentioning used by the banks , are about
>>>>>> the same as
>>>>>> here, THEY ARE NEGOTIATABLE,its mostly possible to reformulate
>>>>>> the loan, and
>>>>>> end up with a streched-out  downpayment-term. it is often done
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The usage of the red tagging argument is also tried-out here,
>>>>>> wont work,
>>>>>> this counter argument doesn't settle the debts to the bank.
>>>>>> They call it a solid as Titanic-argument here in
>>>>>> Europe.Renegotiate the
>>>>>> boundary's and properties of the loan man.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Septic tanks are unimportant until they overflow........needless
>>>>>> to comment.
>>>>>> Move on again on your own force to carry the the day man, i shit
>>>>>> you not.
>>>>>> And i strongly dissaprove the usage for unclear purposes of list-
>>>>>> ommitted
>>>>>> mails.
>>>>>> Mails that are meant to be kept confidential, have no right of
>>>>>> existence in
>>>>>> the public domain.This is unnaceptable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'v stayed away from the conflict DMB, Jc,i try to keep my
>>>>>> options open as
>>>>>> long as possible.try to settle the conflict Jc, without cheap
>>>>>> use of relaying mails in the public domain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adrie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/9/12 John Carl<ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A story Marsha?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure.  I like Dave and the Ronettes, just fine, but I'll tell
>>>>>>> you a story
>>>>>>> about Limbo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Limbo is a place.  As a place, the best description I have for
>>>>>>> it is "not
>>>>>>> this, not that".  I'm not real familiar with Catholic theology,
>>>>>>> but as I
>>>>>>> understand it,  Limbo  describes where pagans .  and
>>>>>>> unchristened babies go
>>>>>>> after they die.  Sounds like my kind of people, actually.   I
>>>>>>> think good
>>>>>>> Catholics are supposed to pray their loved ones out of limbo and
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> heaven.  But I always wondered why.  Limbo sounds like the
>>>>>>> middle way to
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I say I'm living in Limbo, I mean my property, my home of
>>>>>>> 18 years, my
>>>>>>> old miner's cabin which dangles over the diggins behind the
>>>>>>> house, and
>>>>>>> fronts onto HWY 49.  If I stand in my front yard I can hear
>>>>>>> Harleys and
>>>>>>> Semi
>>>>>>> Trucks going by.  If I stand in the back I'm bordering on BLM
>>>>>>> land,
>>>>>>> thousands of acres of it, below the level of an 80 foot cliff
>>>>>>> that shunts
>>>>>>> sounds over my head and leaves me in peace.  I live on the knife
>>>>>>> edge of
>>>>>>> ambiguity.  This can be maddening, or frustrating or quite
>>>>>>> liberating,
>>>>>>> depending on how you wanna look at it.  A couple of events have
>>>>>>> conspired
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> bring the knife edge of ambiguity to a razor sharp hone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, on Sept. 2nd, Lu was issued a ticket by Nevada County to
>>>>>>> appear in
>>>>>>> court on criminal charges.  These charges concern the condition
>>>>>>> of our
>>>>>>> property and septic disposal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the same time, JP Morgan Chase has somehow "lost" our
>>>>>>> modification
>>>>>>> documents, which they say gives them the power to renegotiate
>>>>>>> our mortgage
>>>>>>> modification.  I hear stories all the time about such antics.
>>>>>>> How the
>>>>>>> government gives money to banks to make up their losses and
>>>>>>> foolishness.
>>>>>>> How the banks take the money, and keep the property, in the
>>>>>>> hopes of
>>>>>>> milking
>>>>>>> more money out of these "financial instruments".  Good luck with
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>> Sooner or later, something real needs to happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yesterday a shelf, burdened with books fell down and I had to
>>>>>>> pick up the
>>>>>>> books.  I found one I didn't even know I had, it was from so
>>>>>>> long ago - a
>>>>>>> thin brown book of poetry by Gary Snyder -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Some critic tried to put me down--
>>>>>>> 'your poems lack the Basic Truth of Tao'
>>>>>>> And I recall the old-timers
>>>>>>> Who were poor and didn't care.
>>>>>>> I have to laugh at him,
>>>>>>> He misses the point entirely,
>>>>>>> Men like that
>>>>>>> Ought to stick to making money."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Between the bank and the county, who both stick my home in
>>>>>>> Limbo, I find
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> perfect stand.  To the county I say, "Hey, it's not even certain
>>>>>>> that it's
>>>>>>> my property.  Go find JP Morgan/Chase and ask him to cut the
>>>>>>> grass, get rid
>>>>>>> of the unregistered vehicles and ancient school bus moldering in
>>>>>>> apple
>>>>>>> orchard."  To JP Morgan Chase I say, "hey, why should I sign  
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> modification agreement when the property isn't even livable?
>>>>>>> The county
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> red-tagged it and here is the supporting documentation to prove
>>>>>>> what I
>>>>>>> say".  All threats cancel each other out and just thrusts me
>>>>>>> deeper into
>>>>>>> limbo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pray for me, then.  Not to leave limbo for heaven, but to turn
>>>>>>> Limbo into
>>>>>>> heaven, without interference from demons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
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