[MD] Head, heart & hands

Tue Sep 14 04:41:26 PDT 2010

  The problem is Marsha if I just let any old crap in accompanied by 
every fruitcake on the planet then the overall quality of the forum goes 
down or is diluted to the point where there is little quality to be had.
I'm not saying I'm perfect by any stretch of the imagination but if I 
don't keep some control over what appears and who provides it then 
there's little point in having this forum.
The MAIN subject of this forum is the Metaphysics of Quality 
(moq_discuss!) and not just every possible subject on the planet - the 
forum needs to try and stick as closely as possible to discussing the 
ideas and philosophy as presented by Robert Pirsig in his books. We have 
related contributions from other books (Lila's Child etc.) and other 
philosophers (James, Dewey etc.) which are also relevant to the overall 
discussion. If we don't have boundaries then we'll end up discussing 
everything but the MoQ.
If the idea that anyone should be able to say anything is given free 
rein then why not let this be a place to discuss al-Qaeda's plans or why 
not let the paedophile's in to discuss their latest conquests and 
distribute their pornography. Should I limit their freedom of speech and 
if so what justification would I have according to the folk on here who 
carp on about how dictatorial, repressive and unfair I am.
As I've said before, I've tried being reasonable and certain folk took 
this as me being weak and thought they could do anything they feel like 
and say whatever shite comes into their heads.
The internet is a big place and there are plenty of other places to 
discuss whatever people want to discuss - MD is reserved for discussing 
the MoQ, not government conspiracies or the latest hair-do's or whatever.
It's also quite easy for any member of this forum to start their own 
mailing list instead of leeching onto this one.
As for SA, Bradford, Squonk etc. maybe they should have started their 
own mailing lists to discuss what they want to discuss and put up with 
the abuse their members give them. Then after12 years or so maybe they'd 
also get pissed off with the abuse and being ignored.
This is what has happened here and after many years I've had enough. So 
now I'll do whatever I need to do to ensure that I'm not ignored when I 
make what I feel is a reasonable request and I won't put up with any 
more abuse or criticism for trying to do what I set out to do when I 
originally had the mailing lists set up. I will always try to be fair 
but if some of my decisions aren't liked then that's too bad.
I don't care if this doesn't make me popular but that's not why I 
started doing this nor why I continue, and will continue, to do it to 
the way I wish to do it.
My house, my rules! Remember?

Horse

On 14/09/2010 11:53, MarshaV wrote:
> Greetings Horse,
>
> I thought the MAIN subject of this forum was Quality?  I can imagine all subjects can be fit into the MoQ perspective, after all the MoQ is about Reality = Quality.  The Zuni was not a complacent academic, but he offered great value to the group, in spite of the group rejections.  When one is harassed by individual or group authority in an abusive way, one might become defensive, and anger may follow which is usually not a pretty response, but quite normal.  I bet many thought that Zuni witch was a trouble-maker and one not keeping to the purposes of the tribe, rather than a brujo who was adding something dynamic.  I bet many thought Phaedrus was a trouble-maker and not keeping to the purpose of the community.  I missed the ending of the SA affair, but when I reread the posts, I thought he had been backed into a defensive corner and understandably lost his cool.  To me he was driven to the edge.  Then Lord and Flies did him in.   That is my interpretation.  He could have been handled better.  He might have had something of high-value to offer; now we'll never know.
>
> One is too hard, one is too soft...
>
> Horse, this post is not about your authority, it's about Quality.
>
>
> Marsha
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> On Sep 14, 2010, at 6:06 AM, Horse wrote:
>
>> If his arguments were well presented, he wasn't abusive, stuck to the rules etc. but had a different point of view I would imagine he would be accepted but maybe treated a bit warily. A bit like Ham has been. I certainly wouldn't remove him for merely having a different point of view.
>> If however he was abusive and/or threatening, refused to talk about the main subject of the forum, twisted everything around to suit his own purposes and generally behaved like a twat then I'd probably remove him.
>> Being on the edge is fine - being so far off the edge that you can't climb back is another matter.
>>
>> Horse
>>
>> On 14/09/2010 10:27, MarshaV wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> I wonder.  If this were a list discussing SOM, and someone joined saying that the world was made of Value and the world had given him shock treatments to prevent him for saying it, you'd probably label him as one of the tin-foil hat variety and harass him off the list.  Dose anybody get that the dynamic ideas come from the edges, from the uncomfortable places?  I'm leaving tomorrow morning for a few days at Cape Cod.  Maybe you can discuss how many pimples from James's butt will fit on a pin.  Oh yea, what about the latching thingy?  Not to worry, I can assure you some of you are soooo static, it won't be an issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My heart opens at the thought of all of you,
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
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>>> On Sep 14, 2010, at 4:22 AM, MarshaV wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> Seems to me Horse's ruling was for offlist emails to remain offlist.   The rest of this is other griping is about some men being uncomfortable with the 'personal' and with some men not being comfortable their feelings.  Please, I did say some men, not all men.  What a riot!  This might become a list discussing a MoQ without a heart, a macho metaphysics.  Love it!   Ooops.  Was 'Love'  a bad word?
>>>>
>>>> I'll take Horse's ruling as stated, and will ignore the nonsense.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I love you all,
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
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