[MD] Freedom from choice

[X Acto]

Marsha,
sounds to me like you have a whole lot of nothing.
-Ron

 


----- Original Message ----
From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 6:51:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom from choice


Ron,  

I have: not this, not that.  So what is it you have?    


Marsha



On Apr 11, 2011, at 6:24 AM, X Acto wrote:

> Quite right Marsha it's all we have,
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> explain that to Dan
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> wait, no you wont because you are too afraid to disagree with him.
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> why is that?
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 6:16:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom from choice
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> Ron,
> 
> And each step along the way to your "continuity" is 
> an act of interpretation, relative to your static history 
> and the dynamics of the immediate experience.  
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> Marsha
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> On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:56 AM, X Acto wrote:
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>> 
>> Ron:
>>> 
>>> Dan,
>>> In my own opinion freedom from choice
>>> is like not taking any responsibility for your
>>> actions.
>> 
>> Dan:
>> I'm sorry, Ron, but this simply doesn't make sense. When we follow
>> static quality patterns we are without choice. That is the ultimate
>> accountability factor, in my opinion. We either do it or we don't
>> survive. So what I see you saying is: I have choices so I do not have
>> to take on the responsibility of doing what is better. I can do what I
>> want. I can drink only single malt whiskey. That is my choice.
>> 
>> Now tell me... how can a person argue with that?
>> 
>> Ron:
>> Again you are talking about intellectual patterns
>> and quotes regarding intellectual patterns and applying
>> it as a an arguement against what John and I are saying
>> within the larger context of Quality being value and linking
>> value to choice. I have explained the reasons why I think
>> this is a truer interpretation.
>> 
>> You have made the arguement for freedom from choice linked
>> to dynamic Quality and no choice linked to static Quality and
>> you do not understand why I see contradiction in that along
>> with squaring those concepts with the continuity of the remainder
>> of Pirsigs works.
>> 
>> You claim that I am not disagreeing with you but with the MoQ
>>  there is only one. That means there is only one way to correctly
>> interpret it. How else would you make this claim unless you honostly felt you
>> possesed the interpretation?
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>> Basically I think that the idea of  the MoQ pointing to freedom from choice
>> is the MoQ pointing to sitting on our ass and doing nothing.
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>> Which is not what I get when I read Pirsig.
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>> We are argueing two differing interpretations my own and your own.
>> I have rooted my explanation in continuity and you seem to have in 
> interpretive
>> legitimacy.
>> 
>> So with this in mind,
>> 
>> Dan:
>> I'm sorry, Ron, but this simply doesn't make sense. When we follow
>> static quality patterns we are without choice. That is the ultimate
>> accountability factor, in my opinion. We either do it or we don't
>> survive. 
>> 
>> Ron:
>> I guess what you dont see is that you just offered a choice as your example
>> "do it or don't survive" thats a choice.
>> 
>> Dan:
>> So what I see you saying is: I have choices so I do not have
>> to take on the responsibility of doing what is better. I can do what I
>> want. I can drink only single malt whiskey. That is my choice.
>> 
>> Ron:
>> No I'm saying since it is all choice, all the way down, we would do well to 
>> choose
>> in regard to the perpetuating the choices it requires to exist. I'm saying that 
>>
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>> this is
>> the explanation of the basis of a moral reality I'm saying that existence is 
>> nothing
>> but those choices and like you said, the ultimate responsibility, now,,,
>> How does freedom from choice figure into this context of moral responsibity?
>> 
>> 
>> Dan:
>> Now tell me... how can a person argue with that?
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