[MD] Freedom from choice

[MarshaV]

So what is it you have?   



On Apr 11, 2011, at 7:58 AM, X Acto wrote:

> Marsha,
> sounds to me like you have a whole lot of nothing.
> -Ron
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 6:51:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom from choice
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> 
> Ron,  
> 
> I have: not this, not that.  So what is it you have?    
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
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> On Apr 11, 2011, at 6:24 AM, X Acto wrote:
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>> Quite right Marsha it's all we have,
>> 
>> 
>> explain that to Dan
>> 
>> wait, no you wont because you are too afraid to disagree with him.
>> 
>> why is that?
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>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 6:16:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom from choice
>> 
>> 
>> Ron,
>> 
>> And each step along the way to your "continuity" is 
>> an act of interpretation, relative to your static history 
>> and the dynamics of the immediate experience.  
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>> 
>> Marsha
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>> On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:56 AM, X Acto wrote:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ron:
>>>> 
>>>> Dan,
>>>> In my own opinion freedom from choice
>>>> is like not taking any responsibility for your
>>>> actions.
>>> 
>>> Dan:
>>> I'm sorry, Ron, but this simply doesn't make sense. When we follow
>>> static quality patterns we are without choice. That is the ultimate
>>> accountability factor, in my opinion. We either do it or we don't
>>> survive. So what I see you saying is: I have choices so I do not have
>>> to take on the responsibility of doing what is better. I can do what I
>>> want. I can drink only single malt whiskey. That is my choice.
>>> 
>>> Now tell me... how can a person argue with that?
>>> 
>>> Ron:
>>> Again you are talking about intellectual patterns
>>> and quotes regarding intellectual patterns and applying
>>> it as a an arguement against what John and I are saying
>>> within the larger context of Quality being value and linking
>>> value to choice. I have explained the reasons why I think
>>> this is a truer interpretation.
>>> 
>>> You have made the arguement for freedom from choice linked
>>> to dynamic Quality and no choice linked to static Quality and
>>> you do not understand why I see contradiction in that along
>>> with squaring those concepts with the continuity of the remainder
>>> of Pirsigs works.
>>> 
>>> You claim that I am not disagreeing with you but with the MoQ
>>>   there is only one. That means there is only one way to correctly
>>> interpret it. How else would you make this claim unless you honostly felt you
>>> possesed the interpretation?
>>> 
>>> Basically I think that the idea of  the MoQ pointing to freedom from choice
>>> is the MoQ pointing to sitting on our ass and doing nothing.
>>> 
>>> Which is not what I get when I read Pirsig.
>>> 
>>> We are argueing two differing interpretations my own and your own.
>>> I have rooted my explanation in continuity and you seem to have in 
>> interpretive
>>> legitimacy.
>>> 
>>> So with this in mind,
>>> 
>>> Dan:
>>> I'm sorry, Ron, but this simply doesn't make sense. When we follow
>>> static quality patterns we are without choice. That is the ultimate
>>> accountability factor, in my opinion. We either do it or we don't
>>> survive. 
>>> 
>>> Ron:
>>> I guess what you dont see is that you just offered a choice as your example
>>> "do it or don't survive" thats a choice.
>>> 
>>> Dan:
>>> So what I see you saying is: I have choices so I do not have
>>> to take on the responsibility of doing what is better. I can do what I
>>> want. I can drink only single malt whiskey. That is my choice.
>>> 
>>> Ron:
>>> No I'm saying since it is all choice, all the way down, we would do well to 
>>> choose
>>> in regard to the perpetuating the choices it requires to exist. I'm saying that 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> this is
>>> the explanation of the basis of a moral reality I'm saying that existence is 
>>> nothing
>>> but those choices and like you said, the ultimate responsibility, now,,,
>>> How does freedom from choice figure into this context of moral responsibity?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan:
>>> Now tell me... how can a person argue with that?


 
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