[MD] freewill

[MarshaV]

On Apr 15, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Arlo Bensinger wrote:

> [Marsha]
> It is my goal, but I am well aware of the problems.
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> [Arlo]
> There are always barriers to communication. Sadly, you don't move towards clarity, you run in the other direction.

Marsha:
I'm am trying to find better words.  I'll keep trying.  



> [Marsha]
> The MoQ, as an intellectual pattern of value, it is an analogy no matter how it conceptualized.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Right. Saying it "speaks" or it "runs" or it "drinks coffee" are poetic rhetoric.


Marsha:
Saying "IT does anything" misrepresents.  


> [Marsha]
> An equal problem holds for people who confuse "precision" with "wisdom."
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> [Arlo]
> I can't think of any wise people with muddy thinking. In fact, I think the Zen Masters are among the most precise and clear out there. While they understand that "all this is just an analogy", they choose their analogies artfully and their words are always exact and precise.

Marsha:
I am not so stupid as to debate what Zen Masters say.  I know nothing of Zen.  But I can say I am trying to move away from dualistic subject-object point-of-view towards an interconnectedness that conceptualization and language occludes.  


> [Arlo]
> When I listen to the Dalai Lama speak, I think "now there is a clear mind", not "wow, he is misusing words, unable to clarify his thoughts, and shows an overall confusion and incoherence, he must be brilliant!"

Marsha:
He is very skillful in considering the listener.  But he is a Boddhisatva, so his ultimate intention is to work towards the enlightenment of all sentient beings.  I think that enlightenment is to achieve ultimate non-dualistic insight and wisdom.  

 


 
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