[MD] freewill

[Arlo Bensinger]

[Marsha]
Saying "IT does anything" misrepresents.

[Arlo]
My point exactly. Saying "The MOQ speaks" (apart from a poetic 
narrative) misrepresents. Thanks. Or is this a case of now saying 
"The MOQ says" is okay, but "it says" is not? (Pirsig also uses the 
rhetoric "it says" in his narrative, btw.)

[Marsha]
But I can say I am trying to move away from dualistic subject-object 
point-of-view towards an interconnectedness that conceptualization 
and language occludes.

[Arlo]
There is no doubt that pre-intellectual experience precedes 
"language", but don't confuse the enlightened abandonment of language 
with championing obfuscation. In other words, there is a time not to 
speak, but this is not the same as speaking incoherently.

[Marsha]
He is very skillful in considering the listener.  But he is a 
Boddhisatva, so his ultimate intention is to work towards the 
enlightenment of all sentient beings.  I think that enlightenment is 
to achieve ultimate non-dualistic insight and wisdom

[Arlo]
And he achieves this by brilliant clarity in his words, not being 
confusing and incoherent. While I am sure he would agree that words 
ultimately are analogies to describe a pre-intellectual experience, 
when he chooses his words he does so with elegant precision and clarity.

Again, there is a difference between an artful mastery of language, 
and a befuddled incoherence.