[MD] Dans Bitterness over Betterness

[Arlo Bensinger]

[Horse]
Illusions exist - they just aren't what we assume they are. They are 
representations of reality, not reality itself.

[Arlo]
I had understood the "illusion" to be the primacy of subjects and 
objects. Within a MOQ, patterns are "real", but that reality is 
defined empirically, or experientially, or pragmatically, rather than 
existentially.

So within a MOQ framework, I don't know if I'd say anything like 
"static patterns are illusions", I'd say the opposite, that "static 
patterns are real", its the "S/O" primacy that has defined what 
"real" meant that is the illusion, and saying "patterns are real" is 
an empirical statement and not an existential one.

In other words, if we are talking about "subjects" and "objects", 
we'd call them "illusions" because they are the fallout of the 
greater S/O fallacy. In this case, the illusion is that they exist 
independently or existentially apart from experiential value.

But if we are talking about "MOQ patterns", and we understand how a 
MOQ reconceptualizes the meaning of "real", then I'd say they are not 
illusions, but that these patterns are quite real.