[MD] Freewill

[MarshaV]

On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:59 AM, MarshaV wrote:

> 
> On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:53 AM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:
> 
>> [Ian]
>> If you saw it as the whole world with nothing / no-one beyond the horizons,
>> even then I suspect it would / could.
>> 
>> [Arlo]
>> MRB's initial question was "would it occur to me on a desert island?", and the
>> answer is "no". According to the MOQ, intellectual patterns of value do not
>> spontaneously arise from the biological level. They emerge from the social
>> level. 
>> 
>> "Mental patterns do not originate out of inorganic nature. They originate out
>> of society, which originates out of biology which originates out of inorganic
>> nature." (LILA)
>> 
>> In this case, MRB would have the range of agency opened up to him on the
>> biological level, but he would not have access to social or intellectual
>> patterns, in other words, no social or intellectual activity.
>> 
>> And if you are talking not about "occurring to", but something witnessed by
>> some hidden observer, then this observer would see MRB exhibiting about the
>> same range of "free will" as an unsocialized ape. (The ape would be seen
>> "choosing" to eat a banana, and so would MRB, but neither would be able to
>> "choose" any behavior endemic to the social or intellectual levels.)
> 
> Hi Arlo,
> 
> Don't you think this might be a problems with considering all 'thinking' to be 
> intellectual, or intellectual patterns?  
> 
> 
> Marsha 
> 


I can, though, see that answer as 'the intellectual level is pure thinking'.  That might 
be thinking detached from experience and context; thinking generalized to a degree 
where it becomes totally abstract.  But I cannot agree that all thinking is of the Intellectual 
Level.  I don't have it clear yet, but do you get my general drift?


Marsha 
 
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