[MD] Freewill

[Jan-Anders Andersson]

Hi Marsha

Ever considered about dialectics, survival of the fittest, mutations, enthropy and atomic disintegration?

Jan-Anders


3 aug 2011 kl. 14.26 MarshaV wrote:

> On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:59 AM, MarshaV wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:53 AM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:
>> 
>>> [Ian]
>>> If you saw it as the whole world with nothing / no-one beyond the horizons,
>>> even then I suspect it would / could.
>>> 
>>> [Arlo]
>>> MRB's initial question was "would it occur to me on a desert island?", and the
>>> answer is "no". According to the MOQ, intellectual patterns of value do not
>>> spontaneously arise from the biological level. They emerge from the social
>>> level. 
>>> 
>>> "Mental patterns do not originate out of inorganic nature. They originate out
>>> of society, which originates out of biology which originates out of inorganic
>>> nature." (LILA)
>>> 
>>> In this case, MRB would have the range of agency opened up to him on the
>>> biological level, but he would not have access to social or intellectual
>>> patterns, in other words, no social or intellectual activity.
>>> 
>>> And if you are talking not about "occurring to", but something witnessed by
>>> some hidden observer, then this observer would see MRB exhibiting about the
>>> same range of "free will" as an unsocialized ape. (The ape would be seen
>>> "choosing" to eat a banana, and so would MRB, but neither would be able to
>>> "choose" any behavior endemic to the social or intellectual levels.)
>> 
>> Hi Arlo,
>> 
>> Don't you think this might be a problems with considering all 'thinking' to be 
>> intellectual, or intellectual patterns?  
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha 
>> 
> 
> 
> I can, though, see that answer as 'the intellectual level is pure thinking'.  That might 
> be thinking detached from experience and context; thinking generalized to a degree 
> where it becomes totally abstract.  But I cannot agree that all thinking is of the Intellectual 
> Level.  I don't have it clear yet, but do you get my general drift?
> 
> 
> Marsha