[MD] Freewill

[MarshaV]

Hi Jan-Anders,

Consider what about them, their generic meaning, or is there something specific 
you would like considered?  


Marsha 



On Aug 4, 2011, at 1:56 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson wrote:

> Hi Marsha
> 
> Ever considered about dialectics, survival of the fittest, mutations, enthropy and atomic disintegration?
> 
> Jan-Anders
> 
> 
> 3 aug 2011 kl. 14.26 MarshaV wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:59 AM, MarshaV wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:53 AM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:
>>> 
>>>> [Ian]
>>>> If you saw it as the whole world with nothing / no-one beyond the horizons,
>>>> even then I suspect it would / could.
>>>> 
>>>> [Arlo]
>>>> MRB's initial question was "would it occur to me on a desert island?", and the
>>>> answer is "no". According to the MOQ, intellectual patterns of value do not
>>>> spontaneously arise from the biological level. They emerge from the social
>>>> level. 
>>>> 
>>>> "Mental patterns do not originate out of inorganic nature. They originate out
>>>> of society, which originates out of biology which originates out of inorganic
>>>> nature." (LILA)
>>>> 
>>>> In this case, MRB would have the range of agency opened up to him on the
>>>> biological level, but he would not have access to social or intellectual
>>>> patterns, in other words, no social or intellectual activity.
>>>> 
>>>> And if you are talking not about "occurring to", but something witnessed by
>>>> some hidden observer, then this observer would see MRB exhibiting about the
>>>> same range of "free will" as an unsocialized ape. (The ape would be seen
>>>> "choosing" to eat a banana, and so would MRB, but neither would be able to
>>>> "choose" any behavior endemic to the social or intellectual levels.)
>>> 
>>> Hi Arlo,
>>> 
>>> Don't you think this might be a problems with considering all 'thinking' to be 
>>> intellectual, or intellectual patterns?  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I can, though, see that answer as 'the intellectual level is pure thinking'.  That might 
>> be thinking detached from experience and context; thinking generalized to a degree 
>> where it becomes totally abstract.  But I cannot agree that all thinking is of the Intellectual 
>> Level.  I don't have it clear yet, but do you get my general drift?
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha 
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