[MD] self: agent of action & thinker of thoughts

[Arlo Bensinger]

[Marsha]
RMP does, in fact, state that it is an illusion.

[Arlo]
Right, Marsha, he states the "autonomous self" is an illusion, because 
the "autonomous self" is a product of S/O thinking.

But if you move up to a MOQ perspective, there are NO illusions OR 
existants, there are patterns of value. The pattern "self" is no more an 
illusion (or an existential existant) than a car, or a bird, or a song, 
or a system of map coordinates.

Do you not see that it makes zero sense to say, within a MOQ, that some 
patterns of value  are "illusions" and some patterns of value are 
"real"? That's simply importing S/O thinking into the fabric of the MOQ.

The "self", within a MOQ, is neither an illusion or an existential 
existant. It is a pattern of value, one whose value 
(persistence/stability) is marked by how well it works in describing 
experience, in other words its experiential value.