[MD] self: agent of action & thinker of thoughts

[MarshaV]

On Aug 17, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Arlo Bensinger wrote:

> [Marsha]
> RMP does, in fact, state that it is an illusion.
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> [Arlo]
> Right, Marsha, he states the "autonomous self" is an illusion, because the "autonomous self" is a product of S/O thinking.
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> But if you move up to a MOQ perspective, there are NO illusions OR existants, there are patterns of value. The pattern "self" is no more an illusion (or an existential existant) than a car, or a bird, or a song, or a system of map coordinates.
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> Do you not see that it makes zero sense to say, within a MOQ, that some patterns of value  are "illusions" and some patterns of value are "real"? That's simply importing S/O thinking into the fabric of the MOQ.
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> The "self", within a MOQ, is neither an illusion or an existential existant. It is a pattern of value, one whose value (persistence/stability) is marked by how well it works in describing experience, in other words its experiential value.

Marsha:
Yes, the "autonomous self" is an illusion.  I have for a very long time stated that I see the self within the MoQ as a flow of ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent, static patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value in a field of Dynamic Quality.

 
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