[MD] Through a glass darkly

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Hi Adrie,
Perhaps selection due to Quality.  Quality selecting quality.

Mark

On Tuesday, February 1, 2011, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> add-on.
> only a tought play of course, but what if i change natural selection with
> Dynamical selection?. is nature dynamical?
>
> 2011/1/31 ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com>
>
>> re.
>> Quote , Dmb on Phaedrus
>>
>> "dmb says:
>> It might interest you to know that the line "through a glass darkly" was
>> delivered by Socrates in Plato's "Phaedrus".
>> In ZAMM there is an analogy wherein reality as we know it conceptually is
>> just a handful of sand taken from the surrounding landscape of awareness. As
>> he explain it, there is no way we could ever notice more than a small part
>> of that landscape.end.
>> ----------------------------------------------
>>
>> Comment , Adrie.
>> Altough much remains obscure, and will long remain obscure.......
>> is (imho) a perfect analogy match for the" glass darkly.", in Phaedrus.
>>
>> see this.
>> Darwin, in the introductionpart of the origin of species.(domestic and
>> natural variation)
>>
>> *"Although much remains obscure, and will long remain obscure, I can
>> entertain no doubt, after the most deliberate study and dispassionate
>> judgement of which I am capable, that the view which most naturalists
>> entertain, and which I formerly entertained -- namely, that each species has
>> been independently created -- is erroneous. I am fully convinced that
>> species are not immutable; but that those belonging to what are called the
>> same genera are lineal descendants of some other and generally extinct
>> species, in the same manner as the acknowledged varieties of any one species
>> are the descendants of that species. Furthermore, I am convinced that
>> Natural Selection has been the main but not exclusive means of modification.
>> "*
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> comment , Adrie.
>>
>> in regard of the concluding endsentence, "Main but not exlusive means....."
>>
>> and DMB quoting Pirsig,"In ZAMM there is an analogy wherein reality as we
>> know it conceptually is just a handful of sand taken from the surrounding
>> landscape of awareness. As he explains it, there is no way we could ever
>> notice more than a small part of that landscape"....
>>
>> furthermore, DMB quoting on James,..
>>
>> " I think this is parallel to James's analogy wherein buckets full of water
>> are taken from the ongoing stream of experience. In both cases the idea is
>> that our conceptualizations exist in relation to a much larger field of
>> consciousness and we notice the part that we do because of our culture and
>> personal history."
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>> I think it is more than correct  David ,to see the parrallel's in the work
>> of these
>> visionairs.
>> Darwin is one of my favo's.
>> greetzz, Adrie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/1/31 david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>>> Mary said:
>>> ...I think Pirsig says mainly that there is a great deal more to reality
>>> than we can define or differentiate.  Another way to put that might be to
>>> say that we create our reality from our experiences.  We see through the
>>> glass darkly and are unable to experience the entirety of all possible
>>> realities.  DMB says we dip our ladle into the stream of Quality and what we
>>> come back with we call reality.
>>>
>>> dmb says:
>>> It might interest you to know that the line "through a glass darkly" was
>>> delivered by Socrates in Plato's "Phaedrus".
>>> In ZAMM there is an analogy wherein reality as we know it conceptually is
>>> just a handful of sand taken from the surrounding landscape of awareness. As
>>> he explain it, there is no way we could ever notice more than a small part
>>> of that landscape. I think this is parallel to James's analogy wherein
>>> buckets full of water are taken from the ongoing stream of experience. In
>>> both cases the idea is that our conceptualizations exist in relation to a
>>> much larger field of consciousness and we notice the part that we do because
>>> of our culture and personal history.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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