[MD] Changes in 2011

[Ian Glendinning]

Hi Horse,

Glad to see MD is not a democracy, but as I've consistently said any
good democracy has good regulation too. You have my support.

One observation on the edict itself. The term reification cannot
itself be made taboo (I hope, it has valid uses in our discussion - eg
misplaced concreteness of named objects), but in this context, as a
rhetorical cover for SOLAQI etc ... then the point is clear.

Happy new year BTW,
Ian

On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
> Hi Folks
>
> Over the last couple of days/weeks you've probably seen from my posts that
> I've getting more and more fed up with the whole SOL based and influenced
> debacle that has been going on for some time now. It came to a head
> previously in August 2010 and Bo ended up leaving.
> I did try and give Bo and his followers some leeway at the time  in the hope
> that they would calm down and stop shouting so loudly. Unfortunately, I can
> see now that this was the wrong approach. The trying to be fair approach
> doesn't seem to work. What has happened is that the SOL has changed into
> Reification and the nonsense has started up again. So I'm shutting it down.
> Completely.
>
> This is the beginning of what I would like to see as a move back towards
> discussing Robert Pirsig's MoQ. This is what it says at the start of the MD
> Charter and Rules page:
>
> "The MOQ_DISCUSS mailing list exists to provide a general and free-ranging
> forum for the discussion of Robert M. Pirsig's Metaphysics of Quality."
>
> and I think this is the key.
>
> I don't have any problem at all with the discussions that have been going on
> where they are directly related to RMP's MOQ - and even a few that are in
> the process of adding something to his work.
>
> What I do have a problem with is the continuing project to overrun Pirsig's
> work with something that RMP has specifically rejected - i.e. the SOL in
> whatever guise it exist now or will morph into at some point.
>
> So, from here on in it is closed.
>
> I'm sure this will be unpopular with at least some of you, and not
> necessarily just those that have been continuing to push Bo's work. If you
> want to see it as censorship or tyranny or a jack-booted dictatorial regime
> that's fine. MD isn't a democracy - never has been and never will be. It's
> the list that I started and have continued to run for about 12 years and
> will continue to run in exactly the way that I see fit. And anyone that has
> a problem with that is out of luck.
>
> So, no more SOL, no more Reification, no more "I miss Bo", no more "Bo was
> right" etc. etc. etc.
> We all get it and it stops here and now. I will remove anyone that wishes to
> continue with it.
>
> There will be no more warnings. At all.
>
> Additionally I will remove anyone that starts name calling or playing
> similar games as per this:
>
> "If you think it's amusing or clever to take the piss out of me, criticize
> me, accuse me of censorship or generally make unpleasant, derogatory or
> insulting remarks for doing my best to do my job (and do it properly and
> well) as administrator of this list then you will discover that you won't be
> participating in MD discussions any longer.
> Similarly, if you want to play stupid word games with me over one of my
> decisions or try and provoke or antagonise me for doing my job as
> administrator you'll be removed without any warning whatsoever."
>
> I'm really sorry that it has come to this but it has and I intend to put a
> stop to it in any way that is necessary.
>
> Horse
>
> --
>
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> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
> --- Frank Zappa
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