[MD] X = no-self

[Arlo Bensinger]

[Ian]
To Arlo, Do you not see "self" as an issue "behind things" here ?

[Arlo]
I think the self is a pragmatic construction, a useful illusion. But 
I think such value patterns are as real as inorganic or biological patterns.

[Ian]
I ask because your points .... clearly Marsha finds a handle 
pragmatically useful like the rest of us...

[Arlo]
Useful, yes. But also as "real" as rocks, birds and gravity.

[Ian]
... clearly objectifying the (named) individual is a pitfall the MoQ 
intends us to avoid

[Arlo]
Objectifying? There is a reason the "self" perpetuates continuity, a 
reason why you sign all your posts "Ian", is that "objectifying"?

Clearly Marsha insists on creating and maintaining a stable "self" 
here, indeed she was quite bothered a while back when she felt that 
some "posters" may be avatars for the same biological "person".

If she wants to talk about "MOQ-value" and the self, then the 
patterns of continuity and persistence she exhibits and demands 
should be addressed as well. Simply saying "no self" means nothing if 
she doesn't understand this.