[MD] The Dynamics of Value

[John Carl]

Hi Mark,

Been busy these days and I'm sorry for the slowness in response.  I liked
your "spinning one legged stool", btw.  That needed dynamic reminded me of a
motorcycle, which also will not remain standing unless kept in motion.  I
think the MoQ is sort of like that.  If we ever just stopped and said it was
done, it'd fall over.


[Mark]

> John, there is really nothing to believe, it is all analogies.



John:

Do you really believe that Mark?  Or were you just making an analogy. ;)

Mark:



> You
> should know me better than that.


John:

Perhaps I should.  But it comes to me here and now  that "knowing" one
another is like spinning stools and motorcycles in motion.  Once we stop,
our knowing ceases to be.

Mark:

Physics is a form of metaphysics.
>


John:

This is something we've discussed before, with which I can't quite agree.
Modern Physics has a metaphysical underpinning, is about as far as I'll go.
If you mean the drive to understand physical reality (Physics) is exactly
the same as the drive to understand metaphysical reality, then I'd say
"no".  For one thing, the drive to metaphysics includes the drive to
understand the knower who is doing the driving, and I'd say physics ignores
that fundamental part of the equation, taking it as merely given.  That's
the obvious  difference that springs to mind.

An interesting talk on Coast to Coast last night, an Indian guy
(India-Indian, not the native american type) who I just heard briefly before
drifting off said that we are just about at the end of the physical stage of
mankind's evolutionary development.  We've reached certain limits and any
future development is going to come along metaphysical lines, which are
infinite.

Mark:



> In fact, I am now into the cyclic universe, where energy and matter
> always existed, it just keeps creating and destroying universes.  It
> is a fringe theory, but it explains all the data, so I am sure people
> will begin to agree on it, and call it truth...  I don't Believe in
> science, I just use it to do my job, it's fun.  I also find
> similarities between what is called physics, and what is called
> metaphysics.  This of course makes sense since it is all created by
> the human brain, which is somewhat redundant.
>


John:

Well, as above, I think there's a bit more to the story than you are
portraying here.

But no worries.  There always is, or our motorcycles/spinning stools would
fall over, eh?



>
> [Mark]
> Yes, there is eternity in an hour, as someone once wrote.  Our sense
> of time is exactly in the middle of all senses of time.  This is
> because it stretches to infinity on either side.  The same can be said
> for size, and for Quality for that matter.  Exactly in the middle.  We
> are living exactly in the middle of time.  What a concept.  So much
> time has had to pass that it is impossible for us to be here now if
> there was a beginning.  Based on that, I have dropped beginning from
> my interests.
>


John:

I agree.  Our meaning is to be found in the now... and perhaps the future -
which when it gets here, will of course then be the now.  So I guess we're
pretty safe sticking with "it's all in the now, baby".

Take care and I'll try and be prompter, tho it's difficult to predict right
"now" what's actually going to happen next.

John