[MD] The Dynamics of Value

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Hi John,
I watched the beginning of the game, but then had to drive from Santa
Ynez to Ventura.  Instead of listening to the game, I listened to a
book by Dean Koonz (always a fun thing to do).  I thought the Jets
were going to run away with it, I guess it was closer than I imagined.

More below...

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 4:50 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Mark,
>
> Just gonna give this a quick response, I'm typing between downs, watching
> the Jets and the Patriots wind down in the final 2 mins...
>
> Ooops!  Spoke too soon.  Patriots flubbed the onside kick attempt and Sean
> Green just scored so this game is over.  Guess that means I'll pay closer
> attention?
>
> Mark:
>
>
>> According to the Big Bang theory, codependent arising happened during
>> the first instance of creation, that is the formation of matter and
>> anti-matter.
>
>
> John:
>
> Now, it's not so much that I disbelieve this, it's just that I feel like
> it's all theory and ideas and creation stories which have varying appeal to
> various people.  I wasn't around then, so I dunno  from "anti-matter" or
> turtles all the way down.  Some stories garner more enthusiasm than others,
> and you scientific types are good at getting the most well-thought-out
> cosmological stories so I'll take your word for it, but with a small caveat
> (albeit over-used) well, that's ONE analogy for sure.
>
[Mark]
John, there is really nothing to believe, it is all analogies.  You
should know me better than that.  Physics is a form of metaphysics.
In fact, I am now into the cyclic universe, where energy and matter
always existed, it just keeps creating and destroying universes.  It
is a fringe theory, but it explains all the data, so I am sure people
will begin to agree on it, and call it truth...  I don't Believe in
science, I just use it to do my job, it's fun.  I also find
similarities between what is called physics, and what is called
metaphysics.  This of course makes sense since it is all created by
the human brain, which is somewhat redundant.
>
> Mark:
>
>  As the theory goes, there was just a little bit more
>> matter than anti-matter, so that by the time one second came around,
>> all the anti-matter was annihilated, and we were left with matter.
>>
>
> John:
>
> One second, eh?  Of course, from a certain perspective, one second can be a
> lifetime.  And given the relativistic effects of gravity and expanding
> velocity of matter and all, perhaps that "one second" could be seen to still
> be happening.  From the perspective of a photon or a hooloovoo.

[Mark]
Yes, there is eternity in an hour, as someone once wrote.  Our sense
of time is exactly in the middle of all senses of time.  This is
because it stretches to infinity on either side.  The same can be said
for size, and for Quality for that matter.  Exactly in the middle.  We
are living exactly in the middle of time.  What a concept.  So much
time has had to pass that it is impossible for us to be here now if
there was a beginning.  Based on that, I have dropped beginning from
my interests.
>
> Mark:
>
>
>
>> So, while this somewhat conforms to your codependent arising, it does
>> need a slight imbalance..  This would correlate well with your premise
>> of reality, since there is a constant dance which implies imbalance.
>> The same can be seen with the predator-prey analogy, they are never
>> quite in sync or static, but constantly going through a over/under
>> trend.
>>
>> So, codependent arising with inherent imbalance.  Could that imbalance
>> be called Quality?  I think it can.  What do you think?
>>
>>
>
> John:
>
> It seems to me, that when we bring in Quality, we bring in intention of some
> kind - a desire, or a yearning.  In that case, the universe IS because it
> yearns to BE.
>
> I mean, I know I sure do, so perhaps its just my projection.  But since we
> obviously are, then somehow or somewhen, something somewhere must have
> yearned for us to be.
>
> And yes, I do call that yearning, "Quality".

[Mark]
I think we have agreed on this before, intention is a big aspect of
Quality, perhaps a connection, perhaps a subset, perhaps the whole
enchilada.  Whatever sounds the best, what ever has the highest
quality.

Intentionally yours,
Mark
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