[MD] The MoQ and Politics?

[MarshaV]

Hi John,

I guess the confusion was as much my fault for offering a quote 
without explanation, but I am not interested in an argument or 
discussion at the moment.  I just wanted to offer a bit of evidence 
why someone might not want to succumb to the pressure of the 
crowd.  Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj's statement is a comment I 
instinctively agree with.  If one understand themselves to be not 
separate from "the world" than to change oneself is, to some 
degree, to change the world.  

Thanks John, and sorry for the confusion.   


Marsha 



On Jan 21, 2011, at 2:07 PM, MarshaV wrote:


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> On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:55 AM, John Carl wrote:
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>> Marsha,
>> 
>> 
>> I should have said "tricky answer" rather than a "trick answer".
> 
> I answered understanding you meant "trick answer,"  and I wasn't 
> trying to trick anyone.  
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:53 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> Greetings John,
>>> 
>>> Whether we call it "the world" or Quality, it is not a trick; it is a
>>> realization.  Simple, but not easy.   Om Tat Sat.
>>> 
>>> 
>> I can't change the world, but I can change my underwear.  
> 
> Catchy.
> 
> 
>> I dunno, Marsha, it feels like evasion to me.  
> 
> There was no question in your previous post, so what could I possibly evading?  
> 
> 
>> And the fact is, the Eastern Ways of Liberation seem to promote a certain
>> fatalism wherein nothing much gets done in countries where it's prominent.  
> 
> This statement seems to be insinuating that there are countries in the East filled 
> with liberated citizens who are also fatalistic.   This may be true, but I've never 
> heard of such a country.  
> 
> 
>> The outworkings of this philosophical stance don't seem all that productive
>> to me.  My first construction boss was my dad, and he had a saying "DO
>> something, even if it's wrong".  He hated to see guys standing around dithering.
> 
> First you agree that Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj is correct, but then narrow his 
> statement and disagree.  I think his comment needs to be understood from 
> a nondualistic point-of-view where there is no separation between I and "the 
> world"  (Quality).  
> 
> I don't know how you are applying "fatalism."  I don't see where Eastern 
> philosophies/religions are any more fatalistic than Western philosophies/
> religions.  
> 
> 
>> Mebbe I got too much of that in my head.  Lord knows, we've had a lot of
>> wrong-headed doing to cope with in our society.  But then, maybe I'm just
>> dithering.
>> 
>> John
> 
> Would 'not doing' be such a horrible thing?  
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> p.s.  It is because of Platt that I have read more of Wordsworth's poetry.  I'm happy 
> the poem I selected meant something to you too.  
> 
> 
> p.p.s.  The bald eagle came a visiting yesterday.  He sat for the longest time on a 
> huge pine.  I watched and then scrambled to get my camera, but the battery was 
> not charged.  -  This morning during the snow storm a pair of red-tail hawks were
> sitting in another tree for short while.  Soooo wonderful!    
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