[MD] The MoQ and Politics?

[John Carl]

I do fundamentally agree, Marsha.  So there's no necessity of argument and
that wasn't my intent either.  Just a sort of reflection upon the way I
myself use this realization (Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj's statement) at times,
to justify not doing that which needs to be done.

And as usual, no apology necessary :-)

Yours,

John

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 5:21 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

>
> Hi John,
>
> I guess the confusion was as much my fault for offering a quote
> without explanation, but I am not interested in an argument or
> discussion at the moment.  I just wanted to offer a bit of evidence
> why someone might not want to succumb to the pressure of the
> crowd.  Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj's statement is a comment I
> instinctively agree with.  If one understand themselves to be not
> separate from "the world" than to change oneself is, to some
> degree, to change the world.
>
> Thanks John, and sorry for the confusion.
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 2:07 PM, MarshaV wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:55 AM, John Carl wrote:
> >
> >> Marsha,
> >>
> >>
> >> I should have said "tricky answer" rather than a "trick answer".
> >
> > I answered understanding you meant "trick answer,"  and I wasn't
> > trying to trick anyone.
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:53 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Greetings John,
> >>>
> >>> Whether we call it "the world" or Quality, it is not a trick; it is a
> >>> realization.  Simple, but not easy.   Om Tat Sat.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I can't change the world, but I can change my underwear.
> >
> > Catchy.
> >
> >
> >> I dunno, Marsha, it feels like evasion to me.
> >
> > There was no question in your previous post, so what could I possibly
> evading?
> >
> >
> >> And the fact is, the Eastern Ways of Liberation seem to promote a
> certain
> >> fatalism wherein nothing much gets done in countries where it's
> prominent.
> >
> > This statement seems to be insinuating that there are countries in the
> East filled
> > with liberated citizens who are also fatalistic.   This may be true, but
> I've never
> > heard of such a country.
> >
> >
> >> The outworkings of this philosophical stance don't seem all that
> productive
> >> to me.  My first construction boss was my dad, and he had a saying "DO
> >> something, even if it's wrong".  He hated to see guys standing around
> dithering.
> >
> > First you agree that Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj is correct, but then narrow
> his
> > statement and disagree.  I think his comment needs to be understood from
> > a nondualistic point-of-view where there is no separation between I and
> "the
> > world"  (Quality).
> >
> > I don't know how you are applying "fatalism."  I don't see where Eastern
> > philosophies/religions are any more fatalistic than Western philosophies/
> > religions.
> >
> >
> >> Mebbe I got too much of that in my head.  Lord knows, we've had a lot of
> >> wrong-headed doing to cope with in our society.  But then, maybe I'm
> just
> >> dithering.
> >>
> >> John
> >
> > Would 'not doing' be such a horrible thing?
> >
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> > p.s.  It is because of Platt that I have read more of Wordsworth's
> poetry.  I'm happy
> > the poem I selected meant something to you too.
> >
> >
> > p.p.s.  The bald eagle came a visiting yesterday.  He sat for the longest
> time on a
> > huge pine.  I watched and then scrambled to get my camera, but the
> battery was
> > not charged.  -  This morning during the snow storm a pair of red-tail
> hawks were
> > sitting in another tree for short while.  Soooo wonderful!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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