[MD] The MoQ and Politics?

[MarshaV]

Greetings John,

And how is one's duty to be determined: God, country, family, self?  
Is it absolute, or does it change with each occasion?   


Marsha




On Jan 22, 2011, at 3:34 PM, John Carl wrote:

> I do fundamentally agree, Marsha.  So there's no necessity of argument and
> that wasn't my intent either.  Just a sort of reflection upon the way I
> myself use this realization (Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj's statement) at times,
> to justify not doing that which needs to be done.
> 
> And as usual, no apology necessary :-)
> 
> Yours,
> 
> John
> 
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 5:21 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> I guess the confusion was as much my fault for offering a quote
>> without explanation, but I am not interested in an argument or
>> discussion at the moment.  I just wanted to offer a bit of evidence
>> why someone might not want to succumb to the pressure of the
>> crowd.  Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj's statement is a comment I
>> instinctively agree with.  If one understand themselves to be not
>> separate from "the world" than to change oneself is, to some
>> degree, to change the world.
>> 
>> Thanks John, and sorry for the confusion.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 2:07 PM, MarshaV wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:55 AM, John Carl wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Marsha,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I should have said "tricky answer" rather than a "trick answer".
>>> 
>>> I answered understanding you meant "trick answer,"  and I wasn't
>>> trying to trick anyone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:53 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Greetings John,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Whether we call it "the world" or Quality, it is not a trick; it is a
>>>>> realization.  Simple, but not easy.   Om Tat Sat.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> I can't change the world, but I can change my underwear.
>>> 
>>> Catchy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I dunno, Marsha, it feels like evasion to me.
>>> 
>>> There was no question in your previous post, so what could I possibly
>> evading?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> And the fact is, the Eastern Ways of Liberation seem to promote a
>> certain
>>>> fatalism wherein nothing much gets done in countries where it's
>> prominent.
>>> 
>>> This statement seems to be insinuating that there are countries in the
>> East filled
>>> with liberated citizens who are also fatalistic.   This may be true, but
>> I've never
>>> heard of such a country.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> The outworkings of this philosophical stance don't seem all that
>> productive
>>>> to me.  My first construction boss was my dad, and he had a saying "DO
>>>> something, even if it's wrong".  He hated to see guys standing around
>> dithering.
>>> 
>>> First you agree that Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj is correct, but then narrow
>> his
>>> statement and disagree.  I think his comment needs to be understood from
>>> a nondualistic point-of-view where there is no separation between I and
>> "the
>>> world"  (Quality).
>>> 
>>> I don't know how you are applying "fatalism."  I don't see where Eastern
>>> philosophies/religions are any more fatalistic than Western philosophies/
>>> religions.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Mebbe I got too much of that in my head.  Lord knows, we've had a lot of
>>>> wrong-headed doing to cope with in our society.  But then, maybe I'm
>> just
>>>> dithering.
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>> 
>>> Would 'not doing' be such a horrible thing?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> 
>>> p.s.  It is because of Platt that I have read more of Wordsworth's
>> poetry.  I'm happy
>>> the poem I selected meant something to you too.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> p.p.s.  The bald eagle came a visiting yesterday.  He sat for the longest
>> time on a
>>> huge pine.  I watched and then scrambled to get my camera, but the
>> battery was
>>> not charged.  -  This morning during the snow storm a pair of red-tail
>> hawks were
>>> sitting in another tree for short while.  Soooo wonderful!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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