[MD] Proust vs Hobbes

[MarshaV]

Greetings Jan-Anders,   


On Jan 24, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Jan-Anders wrote:

> Hi Marsha
> 
> I don't agree with that it's just art. Literal communication makes us come closer to each others thinking and we can define certain distinct  common philosophical tools to be used in the extended process of expanding the intellectual level. One tool we got from RMP is the MOQ and the 4 levels, just as an example.

I do not understand why you would convert the statement "works of art" to "just art"?   The Proust quote suggests to me that different readers might understand the text differently dependent by their particular character and history.  An absolute meaning might not be so obvious.  With this consideration in mind, Chapter 12 may not have an obvious, clear meaning shared by everyone.  Maybe you could explain how you would use the 4 levels?     


> "For such is the nature of men that howsoever they may acknowledge many others to be more witty, or more eloquent or more learned, yet they will hardly believe there be many so wise as themselves; for they see their own wit at hand, and other men's at a distance."
> (Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan ch. XIII)

Well, I don't think myself to be so wise or witty, and I question my own understanding.   


> Jan-Anders


Marsha 



> moq_discuss-request at lists.moqtalk.org wrote 2011-01-24 10.35:
>> Greetings Jan-Anders,
>> 
>> Since ZMM and LILA are literary works of art, it might be worth considering this quote:
>> 
>> "Every reader, as he reads, is actually the reader of himself. The writer's work is only a kind of optical instrument he provides the reader so he can discern what he might never have seen in himself without this book. The reader's recognition in himself of what the book says is the proof of the book's truth."
>>      ---Marcel Proust
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha


 
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