[MD] The Quality of Free Will

[Ian Glendinning]

Yes, I liked Garfield too ...

Ian
PS What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding ?

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:01 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> Ian,
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> I agree, and J. Garfield states it very well:
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> Everything is conventionally real.
> Nothing is ultimately real.
> Everything is both conventionally real and ultimately unreal.
> Nothing is either conventionally unreal or ultimately real.
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> Marsha
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> On Jul 18, 2011, at 4:24 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
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>> I'd say Marsha .... it's a (not) real as any pattern is (not) real.
>> Ian
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>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:11 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>> Mark,
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>>> Many people do harbor a deep-seated sense/belief/assumption/feeling that
>>> given an identical situation, they could have chosen to act differently.  But the
>>> assumption of having a free-will, of being a free agent, is but a pattern, and is
>>> not Ultimately Real.  imho
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>>>
>>> Marsha
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>>> On Jul 15, 2011, at 12:39 AM, 118 wrote:
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>>>> Let's get serious here.  This is an MoQ forum, we should be talking
>>>> about the Quality of Free will.  I am tired of reading posts that are
>>>> either copies, quotes, or plagiarisms of something that was said one
>>>> year ago, or two hundred years ago.  I can forgive the newcomers, or
>>>> the wannabys since they do not know better.  But some of these
>>>> established Qists who do this deliberately to obfuscate the purpose of
>>>> this forum and mislead the reader into thinking that something new is
>>>> being developed in this world, is really unforgivable and immoral. If
>>>> we are doing an Inquiry into morals, let's at least begin with
>>>> ourselves.  Is it moral to present something as if it is your own
>>>> idea, simply for the purposes of aggrandizement?  Is is moral to
>>>> mislead and obfuscate for the deliberate purpose of denigrating the
>>>> Metaphysics of Quality?  If Pirsig were still alive, he would go
>>>> quickly back to his grave in disgust.   Is there not one of use that
>>>> has the Values appropriate for promoting his metaphysics.  You guys
>>>> (and gals) just make me sick.  Who amongst you is willing to rise
>>>> above this petty and insignificant posturing?  Who amongst you is
>>>> ready to stand for something real and enduring.  Please do not all
>>>> raise your hands at once.  And stop cowering under that classroom desk
>>>> afraid that I may pick on you.  Really!!
>>>>
>>>> Mark
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