[MD] The Quality of Free Will

[MarshaV]

Ian,

I agree, and J. Garfield states it very well:

Everything is conventionally real.
Nothing is ultimately real.
Everything is both conventionally real and ultimately unreal.
Nothing is either conventionally unreal or ultimately real.  
 

Marsha 



On Jul 18, 2011, at 4:24 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:

> I'd say Marsha .... it's a (not) real as any pattern is (not) real.
> Ian
> 
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:11 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> Many people do harbor a deep-seated sense/belief/assumption/feeling that
>> given an identical situation, they could have chosen to act differently.  But the
>> assumption of having a free-will, of being a free agent, is but a pattern, and is
>> not Ultimately Real.  imho
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 15, 2011, at 12:39 AM, 118 wrote:
>> 
>>> Let's get serious here.  This is an MoQ forum, we should be talking
>>> about the Quality of Free will.  I am tired of reading posts that are
>>> either copies, quotes, or plagiarisms of something that was said one
>>> year ago, or two hundred years ago.  I can forgive the newcomers, or
>>> the wannabys since they do not know better.  But some of these
>>> established Qists who do this deliberately to obfuscate the purpose of
>>> this forum and mislead the reader into thinking that something new is
>>> being developed in this world, is really unforgivable and immoral. If
>>> we are doing an Inquiry into morals, let's at least begin with
>>> ourselves.  Is it moral to present something as if it is your own
>>> idea, simply for the purposes of aggrandizement?  Is is moral to
>>> mislead and obfuscate for the deliberate purpose of denigrating the
>>> Metaphysics of Quality?  If Pirsig were still alive, he would go
>>> quickly back to his grave in disgust.   Is there not one of use that
>>> has the Values appropriate for promoting his metaphysics.  You guys
>>> (and gals) just make me sick.  Who amongst you is willing to rise
>>> above this petty and insignificant posturing?  Who amongst you is
>>> ready to stand for something real and enduring.  Please do not all
>>> raise your hands at once.  And stop cowering under that classroom desk
>>> afraid that I may pick on you.  Really!!
>>> 
>>> Mark
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