[MD] The Quality of Free Will

[Ian Glendinning]

I'd say Marsha .... it's a (not) real as any pattern is (not) real.
Ian

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:11 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> Mark,
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> Many people do harbor a deep-seated sense/belief/assumption/feeling that
> given an identical situation, they could have chosen to act differently.  But the
> assumption of having a free-will, of being a free agent, is but a pattern, and is
> not Ultimately Real.  imho
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> Marsha
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> On Jul 15, 2011, at 12:39 AM, 118 wrote:
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>> Let's get serious here.  This is an MoQ forum, we should be talking
>> about the Quality of Free will.  I am tired of reading posts that are
>> either copies, quotes, or plagiarisms of something that was said one
>> year ago, or two hundred years ago.  I can forgive the newcomers, or
>> the wannabys since they do not know better.  But some of these
>> established Qists who do this deliberately to obfuscate the purpose of
>> this forum and mislead the reader into thinking that something new is
>> being developed in this world, is really unforgivable and immoral. If
>> we are doing an Inquiry into morals, let's at least begin with
>> ourselves.  Is it moral to present something as if it is your own
>> idea, simply for the purposes of aggrandizement?  Is is moral to
>> mislead and obfuscate for the deliberate purpose of denigrating the
>> Metaphysics of Quality?  If Pirsig were still alive, he would go
>> quickly back to his grave in disgust.   Is there not one of use that
>> has the Values appropriate for promoting his metaphysics.  You guys
>> (and gals) just make me sick.  Who amongst you is willing to rise
>> above this petty and insignificant posturing?  Who amongst you is
>> ready to stand for something real and enduring.  Please do not all
>> raise your hands at once.  And stop cowering under that classroom desk
>> afraid that I may pick on you.  Really!!
>>
>> Mark
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