[MD] The Quality of Free Will

[MarshaV]

Joe,  

It just some investigation,; not meant as anything definitive.   
My point was your "locus of awareness" cannot  be an object of 
knowledge.  


Thanks.

Marsha


On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> 
> I don't like the adjective "subjective" modifying consciousness as the locus
> of my awareness.  There is no proper distinction between thought
> (mathematics) and emotions (dynamic) in the adjective "subjective".  It is
> very confusing as it overwrites the evolutionary supposition for an
> indefinable/definable basket of goodies.  This leaves logic floundering.
> Logic in the rest of the paragraph is diluted by "subjective".
> 
> Joe  
> 
> 
> On 7/19/11 11:48 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Joe, 
>> 
>> I have been puzzling over the experience of subjective
>> consciousness - awareness.  It is experience but I cannot
>> observe it, like an eye cannot see itself.  It seems not to
>> be permanent and seems to control nothing. It witnesses.
>> On investigation this is NOT an autonomous self.  But
>> it is experience and yet not an object of knowledge.
>> 
>>  Marsha
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>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi MarshaV and all,
>>> 
>>> Practice makes perfect!  DQ is knowable, but it is not definable.  That
>>> reminds me of emotions. E.G., Define Love!
>>> 
>>> The habits that I purposefully develop, enable me to more or less find the
>>> role that I must assume in each instance to maintain the dynamic reality in
>>> existence.  I think such preparation is called work.  Once I lose my way, I
>>> find myself repeating mechanically, for a whole lifetime, a set of
>>> activities which keep me alive.  I explain them to my neighbor who then
>>> agrees that I am a good fellow, and I stay out of dynamic trouble because it
>>> is too hard to keep attention at such a trigger point for the decision
>>> making necessary for evolution to heroic levels of behavior which heroes
>>> have achieved down through history, e.g., Pirsig.
>>> 
>>> Joe  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/18/11 6:20 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I do not consider DQ to be change. I see it as indeterminate, as unknowable,
>>>> undefinable, and undividable, or as unpatterned.
>>> 
>> 
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