[MD] The Quality of Free Will

[Joseph Maurer]

Marsha

There is a difference between mathematics and story telling.

Joe


On 7/19/11 12:56 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> Joe,  
> 
> It just some investigation,; not meant as anything definitive.
> My point was your "locus of awareness" cannot  be an object of
> knowledge.  
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marsha,
>> 
>> I don't like the adjective "subjective" modifying consciousness as the locus
>> of my awareness.  There is no proper distinction between thought
>> (mathematics) and emotions (dynamic) in the adjective "subjective".  It is
>> very confusing as it overwrites the evolutionary supposition for an
>> indefinable/definable basket of goodies.  This leaves logic floundering.
>> Logic in the rest of the paragraph is diluted by "subjective".
>> 
>> Joe  
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/19/11 11:48 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Joe, 
>>> 
>>> I have been puzzling over the experience of subjective
>>> consciousness - awareness.  It is experience but I cannot
>>> observe it, like an eye cannot see itself.  It seems not to
>>> be permanent and seems to control nothing. It witnesses.
>>> On investigation this is NOT an autonomous self.  But
>>> it is experience and yet not an object of knowledge.
>>> 
>>>  Marsha
>>> 
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>>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi MarshaV and all,
>>>> 
>>>> Practice makes perfect!  DQ is knowable, but it is not definable.  That
>>>> reminds me of emotions. E.G., Define Love!
>>>> 
>>>> The habits that I purposefully develop, enable me to more or less find the
>>>> role that I must assume in each instance to maintain the dynamic reality in
>>>> existence.  I think such preparation is called work.  Once I lose my way, I
>>>> find myself repeating mechanically, for a whole lifetime, a set of
>>>> activities which keep me alive.  I explain them to my neighbor who then
>>>> agrees that I am a good fellow, and I stay out of dynamic trouble because
>>>> it
>>>> is too hard to keep attention at such a trigger point for the decision
>>>> making necessary for evolution to heroic levels of behavior which heroes
>>>> have achieved down through history, e.g., Pirsig.
>>>> 
>>>> Joe  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/18/11 6:20 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I do not consider DQ to be change. I see it as indeterminate, as
>>>>> unknowable,
>>>>> undefinable, and undividable, or as unpatterned.
>>>> 
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