[MD] The Quality of Free Will

[MarshaV]

Joe, 

But that's just it, not to put either down, but I'm not sure I'd say there
is a difference.  There can be some pretty ugly, nowhere equations, 
and some very elegant, harmonizing stories, and vice versa, of course.  
But thanks for the advice; I'll keep it in mind.   

Marsha 


On Jul 19, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:

> Marsha
> 
> There is a difference between mathematics and story telling.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> On 7/19/11 12:56 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Joe,  
>> 
>> It just some investigation,; not meant as anything definitive.
>> My point was your "locus of awareness" cannot  be an object of
>> knowledge.  
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> 
>>> I don't like the adjective "subjective" modifying consciousness as the locus
>>> of my awareness.  There is no proper distinction between thought
>>> (mathematics) and emotions (dynamic) in the adjective "subjective".  It is
>>> very confusing as it overwrites the evolutionary supposition for an
>>> indefinable/definable basket of goodies.  This leaves logic floundering.
>>> Logic in the rest of the paragraph is diluted by "subjective".
>>> 
>>> Joe  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/19/11 11:48 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Joe, 
>>>> 
>>>> I have been puzzling over the experience of subjective
>>>> consciousness - awareness.  It is experience but I cannot
>>>> observe it, like an eye cannot see itself.  It seems not to
>>>> be permanent and seems to control nothing. It witnesses.
>>>> On investigation this is NOT an autonomous self.  But
>>>> it is experience and yet not an object of knowledge.
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi MarshaV and all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Practice makes perfect!  DQ is knowable, but it is not definable.  That
>>>>> reminds me of emotions. E.G., Define Love!
>>>>> 
>>>>> The habits that I purposefully develop, enable me to more or less find the
>>>>> role that I must assume in each instance to maintain the dynamic reality in
>>>>> existence.  I think such preparation is called work.  Once I lose my way, I
>>>>> find myself repeating mechanically, for a whole lifetime, a set of
>>>>> activities which keep me alive.  I explain them to my neighbor who then
>>>>> agrees that I am a good fellow, and I stay out of dynamic trouble because
>>>>> it
>>>>> is too hard to keep attention at such a trigger point for the decision
>>>>> making necessary for evolution to heroic levels of behavior which heroes
>>>>> have achieved down through history, e.g., Pirsig.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Joe  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/18/11 6:20 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I do not consider DQ to be change. I see it as indeterminate, as
>>>>>> unknowable,
>>>>>> undefinable, and undividable, or as unpatterned.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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