[MD] The Quality of Free Will

[MarshaV]

Hi Joe, 

My conclusions are never as interesting as your explanations, 
so it feels right to ask questions.  

What do you know about averages?  


Marsha 





On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:

> Hi Marsha
> 
> I know DQ by perception.  Take the word 'ONE'.  It has two meanings. 'One'
> in metaphysics, and 'One' in mathematics.  The 'One' of metaphysics stands
> alone. It is the perception of indefinable individuality that enables
> definition for speech along with the perception of an indefinable True and
> Good.  
> 
> The 'One' of mathematics is definable, the beginning of the logical
> perception of order, followed by 'Two' etc.
> 
> I am sorry for the delay in responding, I was away from my computer.
> Joe
> 
> On 7/19/11 2:43 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Joe,  
>> 
>> Okay, you say you know DQ?  Can you explain that
>> knowing?  Do you know DQ by inference, or do you
>> know DQ by perception?  Can you explain to me what
>> you mean when you say "DQ is knowable?"   And what
>> do you know about it?
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> 
>>> I don't like the adjective "subjective" modifying consciousness as the locus
>>> of my awareness.  There is no proper distinction between thought
>>> (mathematics) and emotions (dynamic) in the adjective "subjective".  It is
>>> very confusing as it overwrites the evolutionary supposition for an
>>> indefinable/definable basket of goodies.  This leaves logic floundering.
>>> Logic in the rest of the paragraph is diluted by "subjective".
>>> 
>>> Joe  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/19/11 11:48 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Joe, 
>>>> 
>>>> I have been puzzling over the experience of subjective
>>>> consciousness - awareness.  It is experience but I cannot
>>>> observe it, like an eye cannot see itself.  It seems not to
>>>> be permanent and seems to control nothing. It witnesses.
>>>> On investigation this is NOT an autonomous self.  But
>>>> it is experience and yet not an object of knowledge.
>>>> 
>>>>   Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi MarshaV and all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Practice makes perfect!  DQ is knowable, but it is not definable.  That
>>>>> reminds me of emotions. E.G., Define Love!
>>>>> 
>>>>> The habits that I purposefully develop, enable me to more or less find the
>>>>> role that I must assume in each instance to maintain the dynamic reality in
>>>>> existence.  I think such preparation is called work.  Once I lose my way, I
>>>>> find myself repeating mechanically, for a whole lifetime, a set of
>>>>> activities which keep me alive.  I explain them to my neighbor who then
>>>>> agrees that I am a good fellow, and I stay out of dynamic trouble because
>>>>> it
>>>>> is too hard to keep attention at such a trigger point for the decision
>>>>> making necessary for evolution to heroic levels of behavior which heroes
>>>>> have achieved down through history, e.g., Pirsig.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Joe  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/18/11 6:20 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I do not consider DQ to be change. I see it as indeterminate, as
>>>>>> unknowable,
>>>>>> undefinable, and undividable, or as unpatterned.


 
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