[MD] The Quality of Free Will

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi Marsha,

Off the top of my head I would say that averages follow mathematical logic
where one is defined, while being forced to acknowledge a metaphysical logic
where one is indefinable existence.  The exception proves the rule.

Joe


On 7/19/11 11:22 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Joe, 
> 
> My conclusions are never as interesting as your explanations,
> so it feels right to ask questions.
> 
> What do you know about averages?
> 
> 
> Marsha 
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> On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marsha
>> 
>> I know DQ by perception.  Take the word 'ONE'.  It has two meanings. 'One'
>> in metaphysics, and 'One' in mathematics.  The 'One' of metaphysics stands
>> alone. It is the perception of indefinable individuality that enables
>> definition for speech along with the perception of an indefinable True and
>> Good.  
>> 
>> The 'One' of mathematics is definable, the beginning of the logical
>> perception of order, followed by 'Two' etc.
>> 
>> I am sorry for the delay in responding, I was away from my computer.
>> Joe
>> 
>> On 7/19/11 2:43 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>> 
>>> Joe,  
>>> 
>>> Okay, you say you know DQ?  Can you explain that
>>> knowing?  Do you know DQ by inference, or do you
>>> know DQ by perception?  Can you explain to me what
>>> you mean when you say "DQ is knowable?"   And what
>>> do you know about it?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>> 
>>>> I don't like the adjective "subjective" modifying consciousness as the
>>>> locus
>>>> of my awareness.  There is no proper distinction between thought
>>>> (mathematics) and emotions (dynamic) in the adjective "subjective".  It is
>>>> very confusing as it overwrites the evolutionary supposition for an
>>>> indefinable/definable basket of goodies.  This leaves logic floundering.
>>>> Logic in the rest of the paragraph is diluted by "subjective".
>>>> 
>>>> Joe  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/19/11 11:48 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Joe, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have been puzzling over the experience of subjective
>>>>> consciousness - awareness.  It is experience but I cannot
>>>>> observe it, like an eye cannot see itself.  It seems not to
>>>>> be permanent and seems to control nothing. It witnesses.
>>>>> On investigation this is NOT an autonomous self.  But
>>>>> it is experience and yet not an object of knowledge.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi MarshaV and all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Practice makes perfect!  DQ is knowable, but it is not definable.  That
>>>>>> reminds me of emotions. E.G., Define Love!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The habits that I purposefully develop, enable me to more or less find
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> role that I must assume in each instance to maintain the dynamic reality
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> existence.  I think such preparation is called work.  Once I lose my way,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> find myself repeating mechanically, for a whole lifetime, a set of
>>>>>> activities which keep me alive.  I explain them to my neighbor who then
>>>>>> agrees that I am a good fellow, and I stay out of dynamic trouble because
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is too hard to keep attention at such a trigger point for the decision
>>>>>> making necessary for evolution to heroic levels of behavior which heroes
>>>>>> have achieved down through history, e.g., Pirsig.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7/18/11 6:20 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I do not consider DQ to be change. I see it as indeterminate, as
>>>>>>> unknowable,
>>>>>>> undefinable, and undividable, or as unpatterned.
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