[MD] The other side of reified

[118]

Hi Joe,

I am not sure what words you are referring to.  The word mysticism has
many meanings, and I do not consider it to be meaningless.  One can
look it up on the internet.  I am using this word as "direct
experience.  I think this is the same way the W. James uses it.
Pirsig may be using it as the "pre-intellectual", a term which I do
not believe is appropriate.  When I state that much of our daily life
is mystical, I mean that much of it is experienced directly.  We
experience it indirectly through the words of others.  As such, words
become vicarious and not direct experience.  Mystical can be equated
to DQ as opposed to sq, and much of our experience is through DQ, not
through static representations.  These representations are used to
communicate experience.

Mathematics is used to represent.  As such, referring to your use of
evolution, it can be used to represent it.  Such representation is
considered as defining the manifestation of levels.  My background is
in biological physics, and I use math as a tool for investigation and
representation.

I hope this clears up my thoughts on the subject.

Cheers,
Mark

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
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> On 6/2/11 8:48 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> In my opinion, Pirsig has no idea what is meant by mysticism.  James
>> has a much better idea since he spoke with many mystics while
>> researching "The Varieties".  But even then, James must speak of such
>> a thing as a third person.  For even if he was a mystic (which I
>> believe he was), it is not something one can write about in a book,
>> except indirectly.  Pirsig, in his naivete on the whole subject,
>> compares it to being on peyote, which could not be farther from the
>> truth.  While peyote is a tool, it does not create the mystical
>> experience.  So, any time I read the word "mystic" being used in some
>> fantastic capacity, I can only smile.  Much of our daily life is
>> mystical.  It only becomes not-so, when we communicate about it.
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> Hi Mark,
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> IMHO you are throwing words around which have a meaning as though they
> didn't mean anything.  Your background seems to be mathematics which cannot
> define evolution.  Evolution is DQ, defined reality is SQ.
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> Joe
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