[MD] som unplugged - corrected lines

[MarshaV]

I wonder about having to endure difficulties and suffering.   Are they 
identical?  



On Jun 10, 2011, at 11:19 AM, X Acto wrote:

> 
>   "Discussing illusions plays such a big role in the Perfection of Wisdom 
> literature because the Buddhist texts state that there is a close connection 
> between the existence of illusion and the existence of suffering.  According to 
> the Buddhist worldview, the existence of suffering is neither a necessary 
> feature of the world nor the consequence of a specific fact about the past (such 
> as the fall of Adam), but is rather due to an intellectual error that is 
> mistaken about the way things exist.  Suffering is produced by a wrong view of 
> the world, a view that is in fact so much part and parcel of our habitual way of 
> thinking that we are not aware of its perspectival nature any more.  More 
> worryingly, the mere intellectual insight into its falsity does not mean that 
> the illusion goes away, in the same way that mere intellectual insight that the 
> two line in the diagram below are the same length does not alter the fact that 
> the lower line appears to be longer.
> 
>   <---------> 
>   >---------<  
> 
> "That's why the absence of suffering last night seemed so ominous and her
>  change to what looked like suffering today gave Phaedrus a feeling she 
> was getting better. If you eliminate suffering from this world you 
> eliminate life. There's no evolution. Those species that don't suffer 
> don't survive. Suffering is the negative face of the Quality that drives 
> the whole process. All these battles between patterns of evolution go on 
> within suffering individuals like Lila.
> And Lila's battle is everybody's battle, you know?"-Lila
> 
> 
> "Another immoral way of killing the static patterns is to pass
>  the patterns to someone else, in what Phaedrus called a 
> 'karma dump.' You invent a devil group, Jews or blacks or 
> whites or capitalists or communists - it doesn't matter - 
> then say that group is responsible for all your suffering, 
> and then hate it and try to destroy it. On a daily personal 
> level everyone has things or people they hate and blame for 
> their suffering and this hatred and blame brings a kind of relief."-Lila
> 
> 
> 
> ...  
> 
>   "The aim of the Buddhist enterprise is therefore not just to show that all 
> things are like illusions because the way they appear is different from the way 
> they are.  Its aim is to bring about a complete change in how we perceive and 
> conceptualize phenomena.  In this way ignorance is cleared away and, one hopes, 
> suffering will completely disappear."
> 
>     (Westerhoff, Jan, 'Twelve Examples of Illusion)  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Marsha:
>> I suggest the primary goal of RMP for the West, with his presentation of the 
>> MoQ, is to overcome a subject-object-metaphysics.  Has this topic become 
>> unplugged?
>> 
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