[MD] cloud of probability

[Andre Broersen]

Jan-Anders to Dan:

A pattern is something known, it can be static and predictable but there are patterns that are known but not predictable, like the Market which is the firm, steady and reliable base for the worlds economy and so on. Patterns that are definitely NOT static got to be defined as dynamic.

Andre:
Hi Jan-Anders, not sure what you are trying to get at here, apart from suggesting that Dan has contradicted himself, which I think he hasn't. The 'Dynamic' cannot be reduced to a pattern.

As Pirsig argues in LILA "Some of them seem to sense there is also something mysteriously virtuous in a free enterprise system and you can see them struggling to put it into words but they don't have the metaphysical vocabulary for it anymore than the socialists do.
The Metaphysics of Quality provides the vocabulary. A free market is a Dynamic institution. What people buy and what people sell, in other words what people value, can never be contained by any intellectual formula".

My take on this is that something patterned i.e repeated and therefore predictable can be classified as a pattern. To suggest that something unpredictable i.e (in this case) Dynamic, has a pattern because you can predict that the unpredictable will happen and therefore is a pattern, seems silly to me.

Jan-Anders:
To get a static and predictable market we would need a planned economy with a fixed rate of interest which is nothing else than just boring like hell.

Andre:
Never been to China I gather? I mean to live and work for a while. Not just to climb the Great Wall and visit the Forbidden City. No, actually living with...,working with the people...getting to know their concerns, their values, their traditions their hopes and their dreams.

I am, of course begging the question Jan-Anders but the DQ/sq formula can be applied everywhere. Just because a country is designated as being 'capitalist', or 'communist', or 'socialist' , or 'dictatorial' doesn't mean the experience of every living creature is not DQ/sq. Or, for that matter very different from the simple 9-5 jobs found everywhere in the Western world.

I would almost say that the difference lies in ideological terms which, 9 out of 10 times has very little bearing on how the actual life is lived in a pragmatic, everyday way.