[MD] Free Will

[Horse]

So we're kind of back to the idea that 'Free Will' is an illusion!

Horse

On 19/06/2011 16:06, Steven Peterson wrote:
> HI Marsha,
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:30 AM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net>  wrote:
>> I can't help but wonder...
>>
>> The topic seems all wrong.   Isn't the notion of free will (an intellectual
>> static pattern of value) dependent the acceptance of causation?  MY
>> CHOICE WILLED is the CAUSE of such-and-such independent EFFECT?
>
> Yes, I have tried to make clear that the free will/determinism debate
> depends entirely on premises that the MOQ denies. The MOQ denies free
> will as well as determinism in favor of a continuum of reliable to
> unpredictable preferences.  Determinism is false in the MOQ because
> determinism leaves no place for values. Free will is also false since
> though everything is preference (or value), it is meaningless to
> assert that preference is free. What could a person's preference be
> free of when all that a person is is a set of preferences? This
> freedom to which the traditional notion of free will refers is the
> freedom of an independent agent that the MOQ calls a fiction.
>
> So in short, absolutely, "this topic...is all wrong." But the notion
> of free will is such a cherished one that even MOQers who deny the
> existence of the fundamental reality of an independent subject
> nevertheless are horrified to think that this subject who does not
> exist lacks free will.
>
> Best,
> Steve
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