[MD] Free Will

[MarshaV]

J-A,

Okay, this is your understanding of "the way things are."  Mine is: 
not this, not that.        


Marsha  



On Jun 20, 2011, at 5:27 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson wrote:

> Sorry Marsha and Steve but you are definitely on the wrong way here.
> 
> Free will is not an illusion. Free will is the ultimate basic condition for unpredictability and ever changing identities.
> 
> It may be scary to grasp the personal responsibility it takes but without free will there would be no future at all.
> 
> Enjoy life
> 
> Jan-Anders
> 
> 20 jun 2011 kl. 10.36 skrev moq_discuss-request at lists.moqtalk.org:
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Steven Peterson wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
>>>> So we're kind of back to the idea that 'Free Will' is an illusion!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sam Harris goes further to say that those who meditate learn that
>>> illusion of free will is itself an illusion:
>>> 
>>> "It is generally argued that our sense of free will presents a
>>> compelling mystery: on the one hand, it is impossible to make sense of
>>> in causal terms; on the other, we feel that we are the authors of our
>>> own actions. However, I think that this mystery is itself a symptom of
>>> our confusion. It is not that free will is simply an illusion: our
>>> experience is not merely delivering a distorted view of reality;
>>> rather, we are mistaken about the character of our experience. We do
>>> not feel as free as we think we do. Our sense of our own freedom
>>> results from our not paying close attention to what it is like to be
>>> ourselves in the world. The moment we do pay attention, we begin to
>>> see that free will is nowhere to be found, and our subjectivity is
>>> perfectly compatible with this truth. Thoughts and intentions simply
>>> arise in the mind. What else could they do? The truth about us is
>>> stranger than many suppose: the illusion of free will is itself an
>>> illusion."
>> 
>> Hi Steve,
>> 
>> This is right on, and why it is so hard to find a good way to say it.  The 
>> illusion of free will and causation are themselves illusions.  The illusion 
>> is an illusion, like emptiness is empty, like the fundamental nature of 
>> of the determinate is the indeterminate.  Can it become any more 
>> beautiful. 
>> 
>> Great quote!     
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha 
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