[MD] US democracy at work?

[MarshaV]

Adrie,

Whatever these symbols represent, they are not things to have.  They are 
ever-changing, interdependent processes; experienced differently today 
than yesterday, and differently by you than by me.  The question for me is 
how best to keep these processes dynamic to the situation; how best to live 
the process.  Not words, but deeds.   


Marsha





On Mar 2, 2011, at 9:07 AM, MarshaV wrote:

> 
> 
> Democracy, a liberal model and freedom are intellectual 
> static patterns of value.  Think about it.  -  Burp!   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 8:46 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
> 
>> Voting here is an obligation, the fine's are very high if you don't vote.
>> how can this be called a democracy, a liberal model?
>> 
>> freedom!!!
>> 
>> 2011/3/2 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>> 
>>> 
>>> Really, Ian,
>>> 
>>> I would be more successful, standing on a soapbox, under the one
>>> traffic-light in
>>> this little town, lecturing one-and-all on the ever-changing,
>>> interdependence of
>>> static patterns of value.  I am, though, one of the town's deputy Registrar
>>> of Voters.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 7:05 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>> 
>>>> :-)
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:11 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> What are you talking about?   I'm looking for the White Rabbit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 5:44 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> So stand yourself and stop whingeing about "they" maybe ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:35 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In most elections the choice is between ass and arse; they both having
>>>>>>> concocted the election rules.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 4:18 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>> Sounds like your first mistake is a taxpayer electing people who
>>> don't care ?
>>>>>>>> Try better next time.
>>>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 10:03 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ian,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> A contract is a contract, whether your employer is public or
>>> private.
>>>>>>>>>> If public it is important that the "civil service" is separate from
>>>>>>>>>> partisan government, so that arrangements don't flip-flop with the
>>>>>>>>>> ballot box.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> What if the party contracting services, (govt.) sits down at the
>>> bargaining
>>>>>>>>> table with the party that got them elected (deep-pockets unions)?
>>> Where are
>>>>>>>>> the checks and balances in such an equation?  No wonder pensions and
>>>>>>>>> benefits for public service employees have done nothing but go
>>> higher and
>>>>>>>>> higher.  Here in California, we saw this pattern displayed in full
>>> with the
>>>>>>>>> collusion of the prison guards and the teachers getting Gray Davis
>>> elected,
>>>>>>>>> just in time to renegotiate the sweetest deals imaginable.  However,
>>> once
>>>>>>>>> locked in, subsequent Republican administration (the governator) can
>>> do
>>>>>>>>> nothing to make those contracts void.  And really, what government
>>> official
>>>>>>>>> really cares?  It's the taxpayer who is screwed.
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