[MD] The other side of Value

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi Mark,

The diatribe against "Yo mama" speaks to me in rough words.  I did not know
I was supposed to take sides in this discussion.

Joe


On 5/25/11 5:11 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well Joe,
> 
> I can't speak for Ham's mother, but I do know that Yo mama so nasty
> she made speed stick slow down.  No, what I mean to say is Yo mama
> twice the man you are.  Actually, Yo mama house so small you have to
> go outside to change your mind.
> 
> Do you feel that Yo mama so old she was a waitress at the Last Supper,
> or just that when she farted dust came out?
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hi Ham and all,
>> 
>> As I read your post impulses comes to the fore.  I agree you can't envision
>> an "emotional level" since there is no meaning in being a happy person since
>> it demands a response to indefinable Joy.  Do you feel your mother was
>> inferior to you or just has no meaning in a universe?
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> On 5/24/11 9:25 PM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tues, May 24, 2011 5:02 PM, "Joseph Maurer" <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Ham and all,
>>>> 
>>>> Try to envision an emotional level in which the individual is indefinable
>>>> (no terms capture the reality of individuality since it is indefinable).
>>>> Once that vision is secure Posit a definable 1.  This is how I see
>>>> evolution from an indefinable DQ emotional level to a definable SQ
>>>> intellectual level.  The emotional level DQ defines 1 and evolution
>>>> carries this 1 to an SQ Intellectual level which creates mathematical
>>>> logic.
>>> 
>>> I can't envision an "emotional level", as it has no meaning for me.
>>> Emotions are what we feel in response to experience.  It may be joy,
>>> sadness, frustration, anxiety, doubt, love, hate, or desire.  Do we need a
>>> "level" for each of these feelings?  Is there a "pain level" and a "distress
>>> level", as well as a feelings level?  There is no logic for this euphemism,
>>> since feelings are simply the state of individual awareness at a given time,
>>> just as intellection is the process of thinking rationally.
>>> 
>>> You say individuality is indefinable.  Why can it not be defined simply as
>>> "the unit of awareness" whereby one identifies his knowing self?  Indeed,
>>> inasmuch as this is self-evident, why do we even need a definition?
>>> 
>>> Your problem, Joe, is that you refuse to acknowledge "selfness"--the very
>>> core of your existental reality.  And, if you have no self, you can't be a
>>> free agent, let alone lay claim to a life experience of your own.  (Marsha
>>> has somewhat the same problem).
>>> 
>>> Furthermore, when you build your ontology on evolution (i.e., process in
>>> time), you put the cart in front of the horse when it comes to the Source.
>>> For if evolution "carries nature" from the lowest to the highest levels,
>>> your Source comes at the end of this entire progression!  How do you explain
>>> a Creator coming onto the scene after all its creation is finished?  How
>>> logical is that scenario, Joe?
>>> 
>>> Later, you added: "For me, evolution speaks to higher or lower values."
>>> Evolution evidently "speaks to you" also, though at what particular level I
>>> haven't the slightest idea.  Until you realize that it is the individual who
>>> determines what is of value, and to what degree or measure, you will never
>>> appreciate the sensibility you've been granted as a human being.
>>> 
>>> I can understand why metaphysical prepositions are sometimes regarded as
>>> illogical.  But I find it incredulous that an intelligent person such as
>>> yourself can be persuaded that an "emotional level" defines unity.  It makes
>>> me wonder what you would make of epistemology.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for a fascinating glimpse into the workings of your mind,
>>> Ham
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