[MD] The other side of Value

[118]

Hi Jose,
It was meant to be in good fun.  I was wondering why you were asking
Ham about his Mama.
Mark

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> The diatribe against "Yo mama" speaks to me in rough words.  I did not know
> I was supposed to take sides in this discussion.
>
> Joe
>
>
> On 5/25/11 5:11 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well Joe,
>>
>> I can't speak for Ham's mother, but I do know that Yo mama so nasty
>> she made speed stick slow down.  No, what I mean to say is Yo mama
>> twice the man you are.  Actually, Yo mama house so small you have to
>> go outside to change your mind.
>>
>> Do you feel that Yo mama so old she was a waitress at the Last Supper,
>> or just that when she farted dust came out?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Ham and all,
>>>
>>> As I read your post impulses comes to the fore.  I agree you can't envision
>>> an "emotional level" since there is no meaning in being a happy person since
>>> it demands a response to indefinable Joy.  Do you feel your mother was
>>> inferior to you or just has no meaning in a universe?
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On 5/24/11 9:25 PM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tues, May 24, 2011 5:02 PM, "Joseph Maurer" <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ham and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Try to envision an emotional level in which the individual is indefinable
>>>>> (no terms capture the reality of individuality since it is indefinable).
>>>>> Once that vision is secure Posit a definable 1.  This is how I see
>>>>> evolution from an indefinable DQ emotional level to a definable SQ
>>>>> intellectual level.  The emotional level DQ defines 1 and evolution
>>>>> carries this 1 to an SQ Intellectual level which creates mathematical
>>>>> logic.
>>>>
>>>> I can't envision an "emotional level", as it has no meaning for me.
>>>> Emotions are what we feel in response to experience.  It may be joy,
>>>> sadness, frustration, anxiety, doubt, love, hate, or desire.  Do we need a
>>>> "level" for each of these feelings?  Is there a "pain level" and a "distress
>>>> level", as well as a feelings level?  There is no logic for this euphemism,
>>>> since feelings are simply the state of individual awareness at a given time,
>>>> just as intellection is the process of thinking rationally.
>>>>
>>>> You say individuality is indefinable.  Why can it not be defined simply as
>>>> "the unit of awareness" whereby one identifies his knowing self?  Indeed,
>>>> inasmuch as this is self-evident, why do we even need a definition?
>>>>
>>>> Your problem, Joe, is that you refuse to acknowledge "selfness"--the very
>>>> core of your existental reality.  And, if you have no self, you can't be a
>>>> free agent, let alone lay claim to a life experience of your own.  (Marsha
>>>> has somewhat the same problem).
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore, when you build your ontology on evolution (i.e., process in
>>>> time), you put the cart in front of the horse when it comes to the Source.
>>>> For if evolution "carries nature" from the lowest to the highest levels,
>>>> your Source comes at the end of this entire progression!  How do you explain
>>>> a Creator coming onto the scene after all its creation is finished?  How
>>>> logical is that scenario, Joe?
>>>>
>>>> Later, you added: "For me, evolution speaks to higher or lower values."
>>>> Evolution evidently "speaks to you" also, though at what particular level I
>>>> haven't the slightest idea.  Until you realize that it is the individual who
>>>> determines what is of value, and to what degree or measure, you will never
>>>> appreciate the sensibility you've been granted as a human being.
>>>>
>>>> I can understand why metaphysical prepositions are sometimes regarded as
>>>> illogical.  But I find it incredulous that an intelligent person such as
>>>> yourself can be persuaded that an "emotional level" defines unity.  It makes
>>>> me wonder what you would make of epistemology.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for a fascinating glimpse into the workings of your mind,
>>>> Ham
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