[MD] It's a trap

[MarshaV]

Mark,

It is quite easy for me to look beyond YOUR words to experience Quality(Dynamic/static).  Your cultural immune system may not understand this.  Possibly it is you who should reread RMP's books.  

What of yours do you think I need to get?  


Marsha 


On Nov 4, 2011, at 7:32 PM, 118 wrote:

> Marsha,
> The fact that you think I want you to "mirror" my words shows that you have no idea what I am talking about.  The words are trivial when it comes to Quality; there are a million ways to say the same thing.  Just read the books by Pirsig on the subject of words.
> 
> As Aquinas is said to have uttered after he had a spiritual awakening, "...because all that I have written seems like straw to me", and he never finished the Summa Theologica.  One of the greatest syntheses of Religion and Aristotelian logic.
> 
> Do you get it now?
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Nov 4, 2011, at 5:34 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hello Ron,
>> 
>> Mark would have me mirror his words.  You too?  That's an obvious gumption trap.  Or to frame a discussion in words like 'trashing', 'denigrating' and 'revenge-attitude'.  
>> 
>> Mark prefers his "automatic writing".  That's great for him.   -  I prefer to speak in my own voice.  That's a type of freedom when you are not a member of the boy's club.   
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>>  ---  
>> 
>> THE HONEY TREE
>>       by Mary Oliver
>> 
>> And so at last I climbed
>> the honey tree, ate
>> chunks of pure light, ate
>> the bodies of bees that could not
>> get out of my way, ate
>> the dark hair of the leaves,
>> the rippling bark,
>> the heartwood. Such
>> frenzy! But joy does that,
>> I’m told, in the beginning.
>> Later, maybe,
>> I’ll come here only
>> sometimes and with a
>> middling hunger. But now
>> I climb like a snake,
>> I clamber like a bear to
>> the nuzzling place, to the light
>> salvaged by the thighs
>> of bees and racked up
>> in the body of the tree.
>> Oh, anyone can see
>> how I love myself at last!
>> how I love the world! climbing
>> by day or night
>> in the wind, in the leaves, kneeling
>> at the secret rip, the cords
>> of my body stretching
>> and singing in the
>> heaven of appetite.
>> 
>>          ---  
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 4, 2011, at 8:11 AM, X Acto wrote:
>> 
>>> Marsha:
>>> I think your complaining, and you are beginning to sound like one of the complaining sock puppets, is hypocritical.  
>>> 
>>> By what standards of intellectual discourse do you write?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> Marsha, the name reffering to an everchanging pattern of Quality that has no
>>> existence, is a intellectual trap.
>>> 
>>> Any pattern that has no existence is a pattern that has no meaning, thus "marsha"
>>> is a false dilemma.
>>> 
>>> The pattern will call for clarity and supply none.
>>> 
>>> The pattern will call for standards and abide by none.
>>> 
>>> The more one attempts to "reason" politely the more one is ridiculed for trying.
>>> 
>>> A Gumption trap to be sure, layed out masterfully as intellecual bait. 
>>> 
>>> Irrestistable to the unknowing  intellectual, the pattern will ever entice.
>>> 
>>> ....
>> 
>> 
>> 
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