[MD] It's a trap

[118]

Mark

On Nov 6, 2011, at 2:00 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 4:54 PM, 118 wrote:
> 
>> Marsha,
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:09 AM, 118 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> So it is no trap for me, I am providing keys to her own trap.  Marsha represents a typical subject stuck in the Western trap of words.  Someday an "out" will occur to her and it will have nothing to do with what I "said".
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> My "out" occurred when I realized that Bo was correct about the Intellectual Level being SOM.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>> 
>> I hate to tell you this, Marsha, but that was your "IN".  You got
>> completely stuck in words, and now miss the whole point of what Pirsig
>> is presenting.  You are confused between the intellectual level using
>> SOM and being SOM.  This is like equating a carpenter to his tools.
>> You do know that the carpenter and his tools are two different
>> concepts right?
> 
> Marsha:
> You know I cannot write on this topic, but you are correct.  I meant that the 
> patterns within the Intellectual Level function from a subject/object 
> conceptual framework.  I'll say no more so I do not anger Horse.

OK, but the IL does not "function" through SOM.  SOM is communication.  A city has a lot more than telephones in its "function". IL is what is behind the telephones.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Where is the SOM for imaginary numbers?  They are not objects, they
>> provide answers.  Where is the SOM in the revelations of a koan?
>> These revelation are much more than the words presented.  Where is the
>> SOM in the paradigm shift that Einstein had.  That it was expressed
>> through SOM does not mean that that intellectual level occurrence was
>> SOM.  I suppose that you think that the sum total of what you are is
>> what you write through SOM.  Give yourself a break, you are much more
>> than that.
>> 
>> By the way, do poets operate through the Intellectual Level?  Is what
>> they present SOM?  Go listen to poetry in a coffee shop for a change
>> in attitude. Stop dissecting and classifying everything, that is all
>> that SOM can do.  Marsha, you are STUCK.  Stop using Aristotelian
>> logic, we are moving way beyond that.  You have been here way too long
>> to have any excuses.
> 
> Marsha:
> A is -A, therefore it is A.   

Is that a blond joke?

Cheers,
Mark
> 
> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Marsha 
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