[MD] It's a trap

[MarshaV]

On Nov 6, 2011, at 4:54 PM, 118 wrote:

> Marsha,
> 
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:09 AM, 118 wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> So it is no trap for me, I am providing keys to her own trap.  Marsha represents a typical subject stuck in the Western trap of words.  Someday an "out" will occur to her and it will have nothing to do with what I "said".
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> My "out" occurred when I realized that Bo was correct about the Intellectual Level being SOM.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
> 
> I hate to tell you this, Marsha, but that was your "IN".  You got
> completely stuck in words, and now miss the whole point of what Pirsig
> is presenting.  You are confused between the intellectual level using
> SOM and being SOM.  This is like equating a carpenter to his tools.
> You do know that the carpenter and his tools are two different
> concepts right?

Marsha:
You know I cannot write on this topic, but you are correct.  I meant that the 
patterns within the Intellectual Level function from a subject/object 
conceptual framework.  I'll say no more so I do not anger Horse.


> 
> Where is the SOM for imaginary numbers?  They are not objects, they
> provide answers.  Where is the SOM in the revelations of a koan?
> These revelation are much more than the words presented.  Where is the
> SOM in the paradigm shift that Einstein had.  That it was expressed
> through SOM does not mean that that intellectual level occurrence was
> SOM.  I suppose that you think that the sum total of what you are is
> what you write through SOM.  Give yourself a break, you are much more
> than that.
> 
> By the way, do poets operate through the Intellectual Level?  Is what
> they present SOM?  Go listen to poetry in a coffee shop for a change
> in attitude. Stop dissecting and classifying everything, that is all
> that SOM can do.  Marsha, you are STUCK.  Stop using Aristotelian
> logic, we are moving way beyond that.  You have been here way too long
> to have any excuses.

Marsha:
A is -A, therefore it is A.   


> Cheers,
> Mark


Cheers,
Marsha 

 
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