[MD] The Relativist's journey

[MarshaV]

Marsha,

On Nov 25, 2011, at 2:10 PM, 118 wrote:

> 
> Mark:
> This is fun.

Marsha:
I suspect a mild form of insanity.   


> On Nov 25, 2011, at 9:44 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Nov 25, 2011, at 12:05 PM, 118 wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha,
>> 
>>> Mark:
>>> Well I guess this begs the question "where is the real?".
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> You brought the words "real thing" into the conversation.  When I wrote "There is no real thing.", I could be considering that you meant the word "thing" in an independent, objective sense, or I could be questioning your use of "real" as in an Absolute sense, or both.  Or maybe I should have disregarded your post,,, again.  
> 
> Mark:
> I suppose I should ask you "independent" from what?  We use the word "objective" to imply detached.  I will agree that we are not detached, and that the word can be dropped if you want.  It is often used rhetorically to provide a meaningful split between the "subjective" and the "objective".  Is this split meaningless to you?  If so, I can avoid using it.  However, if we start to simplify language, the color it brings turns to shades of grey.

Marsha:
I have no idea what you are talking about.


>>> Mark:
>>> Words are symbols, but perhaps what words convey outside the symbology is real.  
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> Haven't the slightest idea what this means.  
> 
> Mark:
> OK, then let me ask the following thought question: What are words used for?  This may give a better idea.

Marsha:
I do not know for certain.  What do you think?  


>>> Mark:
>>> If one lives in an unreal world, one is always searching.  
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> I live in a provisional, static world interacting with DQ to a varying degree.  I am sorry you are "always searching."  
>> 
> IMark:
> f your world is provisional, what is it provisional to?

Marsha:
I should have said I live in a conventional, static world.  


>>> Mark:
>>> Such searching is also considered unreal, and meaningfulness is lost.  
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> What are you searching for?   
> 
> Mark:
> Many things, but the right here right now is real to me.  I see no reason to hide it as if there were something more.  It would seem that you operate within a fake world.  If a word is not real, then what is it?  If provisionality is not real, then where do you find yourself?

Marsha:
I meant provincial or conventional world.  What _seems to you_ about me is your problem because I cannot related to anything you've written.  


>>> Mark:
>>> What has meaning to you?  
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> It's all Value(Dynamic/static).  
> 
> Mark:
> Is Value Real to you, or is there something contingent to Value or Quality?

Marsha: 
I might repeat the positive tetralemma that Jay Garland put together:

Everything is _conventionally_ real.
Nothing is _Ultimately_ real.
Everything is both _conventionally_ real and _Ultimately_ unreal.
Nothing is either _conventionally_ unreal or _Ultimately_ real.  


>>> Mark:
>>> Is there something behind the facade? 
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> What facade?
> 
> Mark:
> When you say unreal it seems to imply a facade.  Is there then no facade?

Marsha:
You brought in the word 'unreal'.  Do you mean Ultimately unreal?  Do you know what you mean??? 


You've ignored my questions.  I've had enough.  This is too boring.   


Byeeee.   


Marsha 
 
 
 
 

 
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