[MD] This is what democracy looks like

[Michael R. Brown]

Horse -

Making assertions and then calling someone else's reasoning silly is pretty 
silly.

Hey, if I keep this up, I'll really sound like an MOQ'er!


MRB
http://www.fuguewriter.com


-----Original Message----- 
From: Horse
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 3:46 AM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] This is what democracy looks like

I see the same silly remarks that silly people make to cover up their
inability to admit failure.
Very similar comments were made about communism.
You're saying nothing I haven't seen before and what you are saying is
complete nonsense.


On 16/10/2011 11:42, Michael R. Brown wrote:
> Horse -
>
> Failed? Really? And we've had pure, laissez-faire capitalism all this 
> time?
>
> That growth postulate is nowhere required by economic liberty, and 
> resources are not "denied" to the rest of the world. The central factor is 
> bad government. Africa suffers from oppression by African socialism 
> principally (which was quite compatible with dictators) - and it has 
> enormous resources. Market-based economies produce resources; 
> government-dominated ones can't and don't. (Look at the USSR having to use 
> tubes in their fighter aircraft into the 1980s.)
>
> Deregulation never happened. Ever. As long as government controls paper 
> money, alone, you cannot claim that things are not regulated. The market 
> is far more regulated than it can bear, and other things besides (to pick 
> a random example, the destructive effects of things like Fannie and 
> Freddie, which in fact priced lower-income people out of housing *over 
> time* and led to an inflationary mentality in real estate).
>
> We've had a mixed economy for many decades, and these are the consequences 
> falling due. The $60-120trillion unfunded liability bomb in the 
> ill-designed welfare schemes known as Social Security and Medicare are 
> going to make the crash of '08-present look like child's play unless we go 
> forward to liberty. Talk about unsustainable.
>
> And when those crises hit, capitalism will be blamed then, too. "The rich" 
> did it, always.
>
>
> MRB
> http://www.fuguewriter.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Horse
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 3:31 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] This is what democracy looks like
>
> If we wind back the clock we go back to the conditions that caused the
> current mess.
> These include the assumption that continual growth is possible at a rate
> that is obviously unsustainable and consumption of resources by a few
> that are denied to the rest of the world.
> 'The Market' has obviously failed or we wouldn't be in this mess but the
> response of many seems to be to do more of the same. De-regulation would
> appear to be at the root of the problem and until a reasonable level of
> regulation is re-instated this problem will continue.
>
> Capitalism, like Communism, has failed and those who cannot see this are
> in denial.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/10/2011 11:13, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>> I think Horse's is about right. My response to Mary's point - it not so 
>> much
>> what democracy looks like, but it's what democracy looks like when it's
>> broken. (The problem lies in assumptions about consumption and growth, 
>> and
>> the addiction to "winning" instead of quality.)
>>
>> The problem with the disaffected "revolutionaries" is they can show their
>> frustration, but someone still has to work out what the fix looks like.
>> Winding the clock back and starting again is unlikely to be the best 
>> option
>> (for those doing the protesting, or anyone else).
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Horse<horse at darkstar.uk.net>  wrote:
>>
>>> No, I think it's what ordinary folk look like when they realised they've
>>> been screwed over for the last 60 years or so.
>>> Neither Luddite nor economically illiterate - just ordinary people 
>>> who've
>>> had enough.
>>>
>>>
>

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