[MD] Free will according to the MOQ

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[Mark]
I stick with Piraig's MoQ. It is you who are way out in left field.

[Arlo]
Pirsig's MOQ denies any "sensible agent", there "self" in the MOQ is a set of
value patterns, it is not an autonomous agent that creates value, it is a
response to value. If you feel the need to distort the man's idea to feign
agreement, so be it, but this is like walking into a Randian forum and saying
that Rand's ideas really deny the individual exists, and everyone who doesn't
agree with you is "out in left field". 

[Mark]
If you are only going to converse with those that agree with you, then what the
fuck are you doing addressing me or Ham?

[Arlo]
I flag posts that mention me by name, you and Ham are otherwise on my ignore
list. If I wanted to spend my time talking to people who reject Pirsig's
central premises, I'd join a different forum. Is that why you joined the MOQ
forum, so you could spend your time talking to people who you disagree with? 

Let's say I ride a Honda, and I think my Hondae is better than Harley-Davidson.
Do I join a Harley forum and spend all my time trying to convince everyone
there that Hondas are far superior to Harleys? Is that your idea of a valuable
use of your time? Sorry, guess I evaluate my time on a different scale. 

"Hmm... I disagree with Pirsig's central ideas, so let me join a Pirsig forum
and try to teach everyone there why Pirsig is inconsistent and
incomprehensible, and why my ideas are far superior..."


[Mark] 
You need to be in the Mutual Admiration Forum, not in any philosophy forum.  If
you can't take the heat, then take a cold shower my friend.

[Arlo]
Heat? That's funny. I'd say you and Ham generate nothing but static, white
noise, fuzz. If you want to think you are some Great Disruptive Voice, then its
you who needs a cold shower.

There is disagreement, as I've been having in recent discussions with Horse and
Dan, and there is rejection and denial of what Pirsig said. I'll take educated
disagreement over points, this is healthy and how ideas evolve, but I won't
waste my time with someone trying to teach my why Pirsig is incomprehensible
and that I should become an Essentialist instead.

There are voices of dissent, and there are voices of rejection/conversion. One
is worth my time, the other is not. I don't expect you'd understand the
distinction, but you should think about it.

But I guess there are people who invite the Jehovah witnesses in...