[MD] Moral Responsibility

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Hi Joe,
Physics is a subset of metaphysical.  It is yet another way of depicting reality.  One should not make Physics more than what it is.


On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Ham and all,
> 
> Metaphysics cannot be contained in mathematical descriptions, physics.  It
> is a different discipline.
> 
> SOM logic is tied to a theory of knowledge which uses an intentional/real
> division in existence for a differentiation between knowledge and reality.
> It is hard to plant a tree in my brain!  Joe and Maurer exist differently!

Intention is real, one cannot say it is phony.
> 
> DQ/SQ metaphysics tasks SOM! DQ/SQ denies reality to an intentional
> existence needed for abstraction, SOM.  DQ is indefinable not unknowable

According to Pirsig, SOM is SQ.
DQ is intention or Will.  DQ/Sq is an analogy for reality as put forth by MoQ.  DQ is defined as being Knowable.

> It is real, indefinably existing in the knowledge of a sentient being.  In
> MOQ indefinable DQ has reality in knowledge along with defined SQ.  

DQ is not knowledge, that is SQ.


> Will
> makes moral choices.  This indefinable reality in all knowledge becomes the
> touchstone of morality.  My toe made me do it!
> 
That is determinism, not will.

> I choose my behavior and I am rightfully coerced for my crimes.  For myself
> I place DQ in emotions, rather than sanity.  Others will conceive it
> differently. 

Emotions are a foundation for sanity.  From emotions comes reason.
> 
> The base of truth in logic changes to a truth in individuality in the moral
> environment.

Truth is provisional, based on Quality.  Truth in individuality becomes truth in logic, not the other way around.  Your logic may not be my logic.  Take the difference in political parties as example.

>  0 is a symbol of no logical existence in MOQ.  

0 is a logical construct which means the absence of anything.

> But what about
> metaphor and analogy?  Different strokes for different folks.  How does 10
> or Roman numeral X differ?  They are both symbols from differing cultural
> origins.      
> 
And your point is...?

> SOM's definition of an intentional existence necessary for abstraction hides
> reality under a cover.  

SOM creates analogies for reality.  A house does not hide a home under a cover.

> Mathematical certainty for morality beyond
> reasonable doubt! My toe made me do it!  The judge will decide!  I am crazy,
> my metaphysics are all mixed up!

Mine too!  Welcome to DQ.

Mark
> 
> Joe  
> 
> 
> On 9/14/11 5:13 PM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> The only "mathematical logic" I am aware of that can be applied to
>> 
> metaphysics concerns the prime unity (Infinity) vs. differentiated existence
>> 
> (Finitude).  This may be expressed as 1/α = 0 or α/N = α, neither of which
>> 
> is conceptually meaningful.
> 
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