[MD] bubbles of philosophy

[MarshaV]

Craig,

I agree there is Quality (Reality), which may be experienced as static (patterned) and/or Dynamic (undifferentiated), or from my particular point-of-view patterned experience and unpatterned experience.  Nowhere have I suggested one should rely on ONLY unconceptualized  experience, nor is that my understanding of the quotes presented.  


Marsha 



On Apr 11, 2012, at 1:27 AM, craigerb at comcast.net wrote:

> 
> [Marsha]
>> “whatever conceptual model we come up with, it cannot ultimately serve as a substitute for Reality.
>> And while we might be tempted to shrug off this observation, ignoring its implications is potentially devastating."
> 
> [Craig, previously] 
>> I think just the opposite.
>> I think the "conceptual model we come up with" is greater than our Reality.
>> For instance, the tetnus germ is no part of my experience.  I have never perceived it nor have I ever known that 
>> I was or will be affected by it.  It might as well be a theoretical entity.  Yet I get my tetnus shot--not to do so
>> would be "potentially devastating."
> 
> [Marsha]
>> Probably this represents a good bit of precautionary, static projection, but would you want to conceive of all such >_probabilities_ of 'devastating potentiality' as the Ultimate Truth?
> 
> I don't distinguish between the truth & the Ultimate Truth, so it would be better if I just clarified my previous post.
> I take Reality to be the sum of everything that happens any where at any time.
> This cannot be captured by any conceptual model and so there will always be gaps & surprises (happy or devastating).
> Within our conceptual model, we say such things as "ants have 6 legs"--even though we have experience of only a minute proportion of the number of ants that have ever existed.  In that sense our conceptual model is an ambitious
> generalization from our experience.  But if we relied only on our unconceptualized experience, we would be risking    
> "potentially devastating implications".
> Pirsig makes this same point in the quote that shows up frequently on MD that one needs both DQ & sq.
> Craig
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