[MD] Awareness and consciousness in the MOQ

[david buchanan]

John said:
How can you guys talk about subjective interpretations of the MoQ with a straight face?  I know you know better than to use that term, but that's what all your carping is really about, right? The "objective " truth is the MoQ as described by Pirsig, eh?   Hogwash! Oh well. Keep on arguing over your static interpretations then. We all get a real kick out of it, I can tell you.

dmb says:
How is it even possible to be confused about such a simple idea? 

There are two separate questions. 

1) What does Pirsig mean? 

2) Is Pirsig right? 

The second question can't really be raised until the first one has been answered pretty well. 

This is just a matter of logical necessity because one cannot test, dispute, affirm, refine or criticize an idea unless and until you understand what it means. 

The truth of Pirsig's claims can be tested or scrutinized ONLY if you know what those claims are. Obviously. 

The attempts to be clear about what Pirsig is and is not saying are bizarrely construed as oppressive dogmatism or an evil static trap. 

Why in the world would we NOT want to know what Pirsig means? 

What is the point and purpose of this discussion group?

If you don't really care what he thinks, why bother hanging out here?