[MD] Awareness and consciousness in the MOQ

[ridgecoyote at gmail.com]

Dave,

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> There are two separate questions. 
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> 1) What does Pirsig mean? 
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Betterness (value) is fundamental

> 2) Is Pirsig right? 
> 

Yes. 

> The second question can't really be raised until the first one has been answered pretty well. 

Pretty well?  You mean all the commas counted?  The whole thing sliced, diced and thoroughly intellectually analyzed? 

I think the MoQ is a pretty nifty tool for avoiding static traps.  Methinks you're mainly concerned with turning it into a static trap. You got the impulses of a priest, dave, and this your religion 



> 
> This is just a matter of logical necessity because one cannot test, dispute, affirm, refine or criticize an idea unless and until you understand what it means. 
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> The truth of Pirsig's claims can be tested or scrutinized ONLY if you know what those claims are. Obviously. 
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> The attempts to be clear about what Pirsig is and is not saying are bizarrely construed as oppressive dogmatism or an evil static trap. 
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> Why in the world would we NOT want to know what Pirsig means? 
> 
> What is the point and purpose of this discussion group?
> 
> If you don't really care what he thinks, why bother hanging out here?
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