[MD] A problem with the MOQ.

[X Acto]

Tukka had said:
As scientific truths and scientific methodology exist, they can be 
treated as subjects of ontological theories, such as the MOQ. To state 
that epistemological objectivity is different than the ontological 
objectivity of the MOQ would beg the question: in what form does 
epistemological objectivity exist in the context of the MOQ? How is it 
different from ontological objectivity? If this question is not 
answered, the thusly attained body of philosophy is rhetoric, which has 
no structure beyond the power of a persuasive appearance.
 
Ron:
It's all the power of persuasion. It's all a rhetorical arguement. Thats the 
point that is trying to be made. The best rhetorical arguements, the most
persuasive are those "predicated" on first hand immediate empirical
experience. 
 
Tuuka continues:
Furthermore, in LILA Pirsig states the MOQ to subscribe to empiricism. 
Empiricism is a theory of knowledge, so the MOQ is an epistemological 
theory in its own right, in addition to being an ontological and an 
ethical theory. To speak of epistemological objectivity as if it were 
beyond the scope of the MOQ is to deny the explicitly stated empiricism 
of the MOQ.

Ron:
To speak of epistemological objectivity is to begin down the path of rationalism
it begins to become a deduction from empirical experience and that is the keystone
of what MoQ's empiricism is drawn from, it's drawn from direct immediate experience
before rationalization. Understand that MoQ is a rationalized theory which points
to the pre-rationalized empirical experience. Thats why it looks at any theory of experience
 in terms of aestestics ie: usefulness, clarity in meaning and economy of explanation (Ocam's razor).
Simply put, MoQ looks at what theories of knowledge are "best".

The problem with logical theorems such as Goedels completeness is that they operate on
closed systems of logic. MoQ is not a closed system of logic. Never claimed to be. It is a theory
of knowledge. It's a theory on how we develop truth statements. Truth is an aestetic it is
a species of "the good". MoQ asks "what makes it good?".
 
 
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