[MD] A problem with the MOQ.

[MarshaV]

On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:35 PM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:

> Marsha had stated:
>  My interpretation/experience of the “self” within the MoQ is a flow of ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent, impermanent and conceptualized static patterns (dharma) of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value in the infinite field of Dynamic Quality.    
>> 
>> 
>> What could be clearer?
> 
> 
> Ron replies:
>> Because no one has your experience except you, no one really knows or
>> understands your interpretation of your said experience. Therefore that
>> statement can only be clear to you, your experience and your interpretation
>> of that experience. But you continue to state it in such a way that you believe
>> everyone ought to immediately understand what you mean. which according
>> to you, they could'nt possibly do.
> 
> Marsha retorts:
> Just sharing some experience and an interpretation.  You do not need to accept it.  We can just toss out the empiricism, and most importantly radical empiricism and instead use ridicule.  Never mind the 'Don't take my word for it.  Find out for yourself.'
>  
> Ron:
> That comment was never made in your post. The above is not ridicule, it's a critique. You asked
> "what could be clearer?" I replied that it's not clear at all and by using your own assertions it could never truly be clear to anyone else besides you.

Marsha:
I don't think it is an unique experience.  There is no reason others cannot watch thoughts pass through mind.   It's an aspect of meditation: watch but don't attach.  And the idea is to find out for yourself.  That spells 'experience' to me.  


> Right? everyone else is always projecting apon
> any statement made, so nothing you say or mean is ever "clear" or could ever be.

Marsha:
To some degree.


> Marsha:  
> 
> Are you complaining that I will not play like a Philosophologist?  
> 
> Ron:
> No, just complaining  that if you truly believed what you are
> saying you would'nt constantly be saying it.


Marsha:
Most recently Andre challenged my ideas regarding a 'self' or 'I' and I suppose it's been on mind, but, regardless, this is another bit of projecting on your part.  It's kind of like an old wives tale.



Marsha