[MD] humpty dumpty

ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR ajb102 at psu.edu
Wed Aug 1 06:41:14 PDT 2012


[DMB]
The overarching idea here, I think, is that doubt is a bad place to be.

[Arlo]
Yes, for Peirce doubt *must* precede a review of belief. And I think Pirsig touches on this too, in ZMM, when he has the 'care' conversation with Deweese about the rotisserie.

"If the machine produces tranquility it's right. If it disturbs you it's wrong until either the machine or your mind is changed. The test of the machine's always your own mind. There isn't any other test.
DeWeese asks, "What if the machine is wrong and I feel peaceful about it?"
Laughter.
I reply, "That's self-contradictory. If you really don't care you aren't going to know it's wrong." (Pirsig)

I think its clear here that 'peaceful' and 'tranquility'  is tied to certainty (belief), and 'doubt' to that which 'disturbs you'. "Peace of mind", in this conversation, is what Pirsig talks about being the end-goal of the activity. It was his realization of the 'flaw' in scientific reasoning that moved him from a state of certainty to a state of doubt, and in 'fixing' his belief led him a 'better' way of understanding. 

[DMB]
I think Pierce is saying that the desire to rid one's self of doubt is only natural or normal BUT he's saying that some ways of solving this problem are much better than others.

[Arlo]
Agree, and I think Pirsig says the same thing; the desire to achieve peace of mind, and rid oneself of the disturbing feeling that something is 'wrong', is only natural, and there are some ways of achieving this that are much better than others.

I think those are identical sentiments.

[DMB]
It very much matters HOW we banish doubt, uncertainty, confusion, etc. and HOW we settle on a belief. 

[Arlo]
For sure, and THIS, I thought was the leading question that was being asked, and how we got 'here' from 'there'.




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